[Triple Creek Hunter]

Naw, probably still chasing the 170+ somewhere in the Ozarks

 

[20']

Super scientific data😂 went back and reread, so you are saying 50% of all bucks that get to 5.5 years will not score 159 and many of them not even close. Hawk, where dinks find this incredibly Earth shattering data!💩

 

[Hawk2]

Super scientific data😂 went back and reread, so you are saying 50% of all bucks that get to 5.5 years will not score 159 and many of them not even close. Hawk, where dinks find this incredibly Earth shattering data!💩

Bob, Your inability to read a simple chart is why we cant have nice things.

 

[Hawk2]

Don't need an explanation just saying not all of, maybe a few will reach 150s at 51/2. I have seen that over last 15yrs on my Ozark property. I also have seen plenty of 3 1/2-4 1/2 yr olds up north reach that without trouble. I owned property in Putnam County right on Iowa border for 30 yrs so I know 100% there is a difference. Not only in body size but size of racks.
Nothing wrong with MO Ozarks just have to be realistic about what your property is capable of producing.

Just by reading this post its clear you need someone to explain the chart to you.

 

[Hawk2]

I do what some might say is rigorous, peer-reviewed, science. I work with a lot of folks that do the same. What I can say with 100% certainty is that folks can promote themselves, their work, and their data to the highest of levels while everyone else just sits back and says "yeah, nothing fantastic about that". I'm pretty skeptical of most anyone. Except of myself of course.

This isnt hypothetical work. This is actual data from real life deer over thousands of life cycles.

 

[Hawk2]

What are 3 variables that produce big deer antlers



The three primary variables that produce big deer antlers are
age, nutrition, and genetics. All three factors must be aligned for a buck to achieve its maximum antler potential.

1. Age
As a buck gets older, its antlers generally become larger and more complex.

• A buck reaches its prime antler size between 4 and 7 years of age.
• While a 1.5-year-old buck's antlers may only be 10–25% of their maximum potential, a 2.5-year-old buck's antlers can nearly double in size to reach about half their full size.
• Past their prime, very old bucks often show a decline in antler size.

2. Nutrition
A deer's diet has a profound effect on antler growth.

• Protein: Bucks require a high-protein diet (around 16%) during the spring and summer antler-growing season to achieve optimal growth. Younger deer require an even higher percentage of protein for their developing bodies.
• Minerals: Key minerals like calcium and phosphorus are critical for building dense, strong antlers. Deer can get these minerals from rich vegetation and mineral licks, and they can even draw reserves from their skeletal system during the growth cycle.
• Habitat quality: A healthy and diverse habitat that provides a constant source of nutrient-rich forage is essential for antler development.

3. Genetics
A buck's genetic makeup determines its potential for antler size and shape.

• A deer inherits its genetic potential for antler growth from both its mother and father.
• While genetics establishes the upper limits for antler growth, external factors like nutrition and age determine if that potential is ever reached.
• In wild deer populations, it is nearly impossible to manage genetics through selective harvesting alone. However, allowing bucks with superior genetics to reach maturity can increase the chances of passing those traits on to the next generation.

Scientist have always said areas with best soils have most BC entry's. There are many more variables other than the big 3 but trigger control is not all that.

Now... Assign each factors a percentage....

 

[Hawk2]

Did I misread what you said and said the data stated??? Did you say every bucknin MO allowed to reach 5.5 would grow/score a 150” or more

Do I need to post the definition of an AVERAGE bob??

 

[cowboy]

Super scientific data😂 went back and reread, so you are saying 50% of all bucks that get to 5.5 years will not score 159 and many of them not even close. Hawk, where dinks find this incredibly Earth shattering data!💩

How could you doubt the "projected growth" in that study 20?

 

[20']

Do I need to post the definition of an AVERAGE bob??

this scientific breakthrough is absolute rubbish at best. Hit us simpletons with the highlights of this amazing data?

 

[20']

Such a revelation, I said 20 years aga the average growth of a buck is 13% year to year. And I was wrong exceptional growth year to year would be 13%.

 

[Hawk2]

How could you doubt the "projected growth" in that study 20?

Exactly. How could you dispute decades of known buck growth research thru 1000s of life cycles used to create the graph?? But Im sure some guy from Missouri is FAR more qualified than these guys....

 

[Hawk2]

this scientific breakthrough is absolute rubbish at best. Hit us simpletons with the highlights of this amazing data?

The high lights are all the 2 and 3 year old bucks that are shot are the ones that will be the 180, 170, 160s and by doing that it leaves the 140, 130, and 120s to live to 5.5.

 

[cowboy]

Unicorn hunter 🥳

 

[Steelman]

I would assume hawk that since you don't subscribe to high grading bucks, that you shoot a 150"+ every year.

Please post all your pics, with the year and location, to prove that you practice what you preach and that you're not full of crap.
Has to be your picture with the bucks, no subs.

 

[callaojoe]

I really only highgrade my squirrels these days. Highgrade squirrels have the most tender rib meat, and lets face it, tender squirrel rib meat is why we put the effort in to harvest them. 👍🏻🐿

 

[kgdog]

Squeerl ribs on the grill is the bomb ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,What is this high grading ...is that when a fork horn and a 8 come in together and you shoot the 8 pt/? ...............or 3 separate 8s come through at different times ,,,,but the second one is bigger so you wait till he comes back .....smh

 

[Hawk2]

I would assume hawk that since you don't subscribe to high grading bucks, that you shoot a 150"+ every year.

Please post all your pics, with the year and location, to prove that you practice what you preach and that you're not full of crap.
Has to be your picture with the bucks, no subs.

I dont shoot many bucks because I dont shoot dinks. Ive not shot a buck since 2004 that hasn't went on the wall.

 

[Triple Creek Hunter]

Just by reading this post its clear you need someone to explain the chart to you.ĺ

No need. I have 65 years of actual deer hunting under my belt in MO ,Ark, and KS. To say every 5 1/2 yr old will reach 150s or even the majority is absurd.
I admit I am no longer chasing that monster buck. I hold out for a mature decent rack buck. I'm glad you like to trophy hunt, but not everyone is a trophy hunter.

 

[kgdog]

I dont shoot many bucks because I dont shoot dinks. Ive not shot a buck since 2004 that hasn't went on the wall.

Wasnt that a Dink ?

 

[thwackaddict]

We didn’t want to high grade so we let this spike have a pass. I told the boys if he grows into his tail he will be a giant!