The article said 17 counties have passed the resolution. Wonder which counties that would be?
Waiting to hear the results.
http://www.theijnews.com/news/article_f987765a-b49f-11e9-8684-6ba7fa61f2ae.html I know a lot of landowners have went to the commissioners with the fact most have tried only trapping/ had trappers come in and seen it's not very successful. Looks like enough landowners complained and the commissioners listened.
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I’m not sure. I know iron county for sure. I would think it’s safe to bet on Wayne, Madison, and Reynolds as well.
I am honestly surprised the backlash that MDC and others have received over this. I hope people keep standing up to them over this issue.
The writer is a heckuva grammar specialist...
While some have taken to the hunt for sport most want to element the pest that is nothing but destructive and a nuisance.
While some have taken to the hunt for sport most want to element the pest that is nothing but destructive and a nuisance.
so, this from the link that some one cannot or does not know how to paste
WHEREAS, Mark Twain National Forest represents over two million acres of Public property, which adjoins millions of acres of Private properties, and contains a large concentration of Missouri’s wild hogs,
If they want to embellish, why did they not say hundreds of millions of acres
WHEREAS, we are in consensus that deliberately banning or inhibiting thousands of current law-abiding Public and Private Hog Hunters, Trappers, Landowners from participating in said game management on Public property, and by default, on subsequent adjoining Private properties, will ultimately result in rampant over-population in current locations, and threatens to spread across the State,
that should probably say Public and Private "land" Hog Hunters. Not sure if they (hog hunters) have not put a dent in the population for the last 20 years, how the county commissioners expect the hog hunters to have a different outcome with the same set of rules? Would not doubt it if the hog hunters have been feeding the commissioners some koolaid...
WHEREAS, Mark Twain National Forest represents over two million acres of Public property, which adjoins millions of acres of Private properties, and contains a large concentration of Missouri’s wild hogs,
If they want to embellish, why did they not say hundreds of millions of acres
WHEREAS, we are in consensus that deliberately banning or inhibiting thousands of current law-abiding Public and Private Hog Hunters, Trappers, Landowners from participating in said game management on Public property, and by default, on subsequent adjoining Private properties, will ultimately result in rampant over-population in current locations, and threatens to spread across the State,
that should probably say Public and Private "land" Hog Hunters. Not sure if they (hog hunters) have not put a dent in the population for the last 20 years, how the county commissioners expect the hog hunters to have a different outcome with the same set of rules? Would not doubt it if the hog hunters have been feeding the commissioners some koolaid...
Dafish not sure if that’s a jab or not. Not knowing how to paste? I was at work and was faster to just paste the link. Unsure what you mean. I haven’t spoken to any commissioners. I can’t say they haven’t. I do know that a lot of farmers I talked to contacted commissioners regarding the issues bc they know how much success mdc has not had on their properties and are tired of it. They was all for the ban on state ground but since most have seen an increase in numbers and destruction so they know it’s not the best approach. I mean it’s simple. Either listen to mdc or the actual landowners who know. I’m sure if mdc was all over some new deer regulations that most of you deer hunters probably actually have a better approach than they do. Tired of hunters or even ppl in general blaming hog hunters for everything. Now all a sudden 18 counties are against the ban and it’s all bc a few hog hunters lol. That’s funny.
Honestly if you think that the population would be lower without hunting the past few years. You’re a special kind of gifted. 20 years everyone says. I only know maybe 3 ppl that have hunted that long for pigs. Hog hunting didn’t get big until a few years back. It became a fad and died out with the ban of state ground. If you visit some Facebook sites then you will see that.
The answer is, hog hunters have not obviously put a dent in the population as that population has risen over the last 20 years. Bottom line, hog hunters are NOT controlling the population. And what do you do when something isnt working? Does anyone think that keeping what ISNT working in place is a good plan?Not sure if they (hog hunters) have not put a dent in the population for the last 20 years, how the county commissioners expect the hog hunters to have a different outcome with the same set of rules? Would not doubt it if the hog hunters have been feeding the commissioners some koolaid...
The answer obviously is carpet bombing. If some deer are killed it is just collateral damage.. and they probably had CWD anyway..
Rat. Trapping on the state parks for years which have never been hunted isn’t working there. Is that something we should keep in place. There’s not enough manpower in hunters or trappers. If you think a few hunters are going to knock the population down then you don’t have a dog in this fight. I would like to know where we’d be at without the legal hunters. How do you explain the rising number at a remarkable rate since the ban on state ground here and the locals not hunting anymore. Yet mdc can’t even keep up there. It doesn’t help that public land won’t be trapped during archery season bc of bait issues.
If you don’t mind me asking. Where are you fellers from. As much as you know I’d say somewhere in the southern part of the state. You obviously have real hands on experience in the situation so surely you live around here?
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Dafish not sure if that's a jab or not. Not knowing how to paste?
Last year someone posted a link and most people had computer issues when they clicked on it. Since others had clicked on your link and not complained I assumed it was safe.
"I do know that a lot of farmers I talked to contacted commissioners regarding the issues bc they know how much success mdc has not had on their properties and are tired of it."
Why cannot or do not the landowners take care of the problem themselves instead of relying on the government?
Now all a sudden 18 counties are against the ban and it's all bc a few hog hunters lol. That's funny.
maybe the counties should have advertised on radio/tv/newspapers that they need people to come down and shoot all the hogs they see. As the issue seems to "few hog hunters" But the landowners(who are doing all the complaining) would not let anybody hunt on their property. Seen that with deer in Unit 19 of Kansas.
Dafish not sure if that's a jab or not. Not knowing how to paste?
Last year someone posted a link and most people had computer issues when they clicked on it. Since others had clicked on your link and not complained I assumed it was safe.
"I do know that a lot of farmers I talked to contacted commissioners regarding the issues bc they know how much success mdc has not had on their properties and are tired of it."
Why cannot or do not the landowners take care of the problem themselves instead of relying on the government?
Now all a sudden 18 counties are against the ban and it's all bc a few hog hunters lol. That's funny.
maybe the counties should have advertised on radio/tv/newspapers that they need people to come down and shoot all the hogs they see. As the issue seems to "few hog hunters" But the landowners(who are doing all the complaining) would not let anybody hunt on their property. Seen that with deer in Unit 19 of Kansas.
Our family farm is in southern Gasconade county, about 1 mile from the Crawford county line.If you don't mind me asking. Where are you fellers from. As much as you know I'd say somewhere in the southern part of the state. You obviously have real hands on experience in the situation so surely you live around here?
I never said I thought trapping would work either. All hunting and shooting the occasional pig while deer hunting does is scatter them around. Can you NOT see this point?Rat. Trapping on the state parks for years which have never been hunted isn't working there. Is that something we should keep in place. There's not enough manpower in hunters or trappers. If you think a few hunters are going to knock the population down then you don't have a dog in this fight. I would like to know where we'd be at without the legal hunters. How do you explain the rising number at a remarkable rate since the ban on state ground here and the locals not hunting anymore. Yet mdc can't even keep up there. It doesn't help that public land won't be trapped during archery season bc of bait issues.
And dont come back with the "we bay up and kill the whole sounder" deal again, nobody with any brains is buying that.
I don’t think most landowners have the time or ability do deal with hogs on large parcels by themselves which is why most have tried mdc with little to no luck. They have been seeing relief using private trappers and hunters. Also most don’t have a problem hunting hogs on their land. It’s finding the few that allow rifles bc of livestock. We use knives. What has worked best for us is the private trappers catch what they can and we go in and get the trap shy hogs. Hogs figure out traps very fast. Summer it’s hard to run dogs very long except at night so it’s our slowest time. Rat why is it so hard to believe you can bay up a whole sounder? Lol. Are you serious?
If a dog couldn’t bay a whole sounder I have no idea how folks who used to free range got their herds back? Pretty common for whole sounders to be bayed. Do some research. Or join in on a hunt and see yourself.
The sad fact is, Missouri has hogs. And plenty of them. And the population is booming. And we aren't no way no how going to eradicate them. The Ozark landscape makes it impossible. MDC and their partnerships with all the other agencies aren't putting a dent in the population with their best efforts. In fact, hog populations seem to be growing and expanding into new area's all the time. Hog hunters aren't going to eradicate the hogs either. It's just the way things are shaking out. But making me a criminal for shooting a hog on public ground when I run across one makes no sense either.
I see hogs while scouting, hiking with my wife, squirrel hunting, bowhunting deer, gun hunting deer, calling predators during the winter and even in spring turkey season. MDC ain't phasing the population where I hunt. And my occasional shooting of a hog ain't gonna interrupt their efforts either. As the man once said, "And that's the way it is August 2, 2019!"
I see hogs while scouting, hiking with my wife, squirrel hunting, bowhunting deer, gun hunting deer, calling predators during the winter and even in spring turkey season. MDC ain't phasing the population where I hunt. And my occasional shooting of a hog ain't gonna interrupt their efforts either. As the man once said, "And that's the way it is August 2, 2019!"
20 years of failure makes you a necessity .
2 years into a long term effort makes you a failure .
A clinical example of insanity is doing the same thing over and over expecting a different outcome.
2 years into a long term effort makes you a failure .
A clinical example of insanity is doing the same thing over and over expecting a different outcome.
I'll admit that I have never hunted hogs with a dog and have very little idea whats involved other than what I have seen on tv. I HAVE encountered feral hogs (texas hill country, we had a research farm there) and I did not see them react, other than to run every which way. I just find it hard to believe that when a marauding pack of dogs is involved that they dont scatter like confetti out of a canon. When is the next time you are hunting?If a dog couldn't bay a whole sounder I have no idea how folks who used to free range got their herds back? Pretty common for whole sounders to be bayed. Do some research. Or join in on a hunt and see yourself.
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