THIS IS NOT GOOD.

Discussion in 'Deer Management, Habitat & Conservation' started by hazelvillebucks, Jan 3, 2018.

  1. 20'

    20' Well-Known Member

    Aug 9, 2017
    I don't think they know for sure yet, do they?
     
  2. Hawk

    Hawk Well-Known Member Sponsor

    Oct 15, 2009
    Thats for them to decide.
     

  3. buckstop660

    buckstop660 Crossbow Specialist

    Jul 17, 2014
    NW Mo.
    The worthless part isn't what the hunter learns about his meat it's what does the mdc so with the info. There isn't any proof that the current strategy controls or helps slow the progress or will result in a cure.

    The cdc recommends to not eat infected deer yet beef isn't tested. They don't want to go down that road do they.
     
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  4. wiser1

    wiser1 Trash Picker

    Apr 15, 2013
    Jefferson county
    The problem with the non-mandatory county's being tested is ..Its at a low number rate ...Most are around 240-260 per county over those 15 years ...so less than 20 per year checked ,,,,,Not really enough to find it ,if its there
     
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  5. Hawk

    Hawk Well-Known Member Sponsor

    Oct 15, 2009
    Thats what happened in Arkansas...
     
  6. henry

    henry Fan Boy aka Mr Twisty and

    After the initial testing the first 4 years that was designed to catch cwd if it was at 1% prevalence the sampling rate was designed to catch it at 4 or 5% .

    In the first 13 years of testing in Arkansas they had only tested 7000 deer. Had it been evenly distributed that would only have been 7 deer per county annually. It wasn't evenly distributed and if memory serves there had only been 1 deer tested in the buffalo river area in 13 years. The one that led to the discovery in their deer actually died near a parking lot and was tested if I remember right. Arkansas like many states probably just didn't have the money to dedicate to testing .
     
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  7. rat

    rat Legbone

    Dec 13, 2005
    The CDC recommends NOT eating it. It seems odd that people trust everything else from the CDC regarding your risk but simply ignore advice when it comes to CWD.

    • "If your animal tests positive for CWD, do not eat meat from that animal."

    https://www.cdc.gov/prions/cwd/prevention.html
     
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  8. Hawk

    Hawk Well-Known Member Sponsor

    Oct 15, 2009
    I think there is a very long list of things the CDC has stated that people ignore...
     
  9. rat

    rat Legbone

    Dec 13, 2005
    Regarding infectious diseases? Like what?
     
  10. Hawk

    Hawk Well-Known Member Sponsor

    Oct 15, 2009
    Vaccines for one... thats really as far as the examples need to go...

    and CDC says considerably more than what you posted.

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    "strongly consider" having it tested.

    Youd have to be kinda dumb to HAVE it tested then eat the meat anyway. Thats like looking down the barrel of an empty gun. Probably wont kill you but its unnecessary and stupid to do. What im saying it that most people just dont get it tested at all. Especially out west.
     
  11. rat

    rat Legbone

    Dec 13, 2005
    It says more than what I mentioned because we WERE ONLY TALKING ABOUT EATING THE MEAT. We werent talking about considering testing or any of that.
    It simply says, if your animal is positive, do not eat the meat. That is their recommendation. People here have mentioned waiting to eat the meat until their results are back.
     
  12. Hawk

    Hawk Well-Known Member Sponsor

    Oct 15, 2009
    I was never only talking about eating the meat... I was talking about not caring enough to have it tested. The elk I killed last year never got tested and I had chinese elk and broccoli last night... yum


    Yeah, and I believe that after MO has the initial scare it will be just like CO. Hardly anyone will get anything tested unless its mandatory. Or maybe MO hunters are just way more worried about it than those other states.
     
  13. rat

    rat Legbone

    Dec 13, 2005
    Well, I was and the context of the conversation was clearly about whether the CDC recommends eating the meat or not... plus I was responding to 20, not you. The fact is, the CDC recommends not eating it.
    You really dont have to turn it into anything but that. jeez
     
  14. justindh1

    justindh1 Senior Member

    572
    Aug 22, 2010
    I believe the MDC is generally concerned about the effects of these diseases on our deer population but are also using them as a way to solidify their value as a organization. Their successes of the past has out shined any in my lifetime. It seems their focus isn't always on the nature now. I have a lot of respect for what the organization has done for our state and others. They aren't perfect but have done more good than bad.

    CWD is a disease that they have to try and understand more and would get more slack over doing nothing than something. They should understand it more with testing while monitoring population numbers. Understand the disease more before reacting and maybe causing negative effects in the deer population. I talked to a agent of MDC, he agreed that cwd was here to stay and that the agency couldn't do anything about it. Of course this was his opinion on the matter and not MDC. I am fine with them spending the resources on cwd but it should be to figure out more about it. If many agencies believe you can't control genetics in a free roaming deer herd, how can they think they can control a disease in one? It's not by shooting them.

    If lifetime tags or some other incentive would be given by MDC for voluntarily bring a deer for sampling and testing, they could have no problem getting samples numbers the want for each county.
     
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  15. 20'

    20' Well-Known Member

    Aug 9, 2017

    thinking the MDC should have shared the CDC advice about not eating CWD deer a few years ago :)
     
  16. rat

    rat Legbone

    Dec 13, 2005
    When did the MDC ever say it was ok to eat cwd meet?
     
  17. 20'

    20' Well-Known Member

    Aug 9, 2017

    not saying they did, but there was never a concern until now and WI discovered it when, CO when, 1960? I wouldn't eat any sickly looking deer I killed, EHD or otherwise.....but CWD has been around a long time. D

    Question, are venison farm's meat tested?
     
  18. rat

    rat Legbone

    Dec 13, 2005
    Never a concern until now? Pretty sure MDC was always concerned.
     
  19. bajabill

    bajabill BDR529

    Feb 16, 2012
    East Central MO
    Sainte Genevieve county is now on the list, with 2 this year. Not on the map as of yet.
     
  20. wingman

    wingman Active Member

    514
    May 30, 2012
    It is now. East of 55 near Ozora.