Source for bullets/conicals

Discussion in 'Muzzleloaders' started by Underclocked, Mar 7, 2006.

  1. Underclocked

    Underclocked New Member

    Jan 27, 2003
    Greenfield, MO. USA
    New (to most) source of conicals and bullets for muzzleloaders - http://bullshop.gunloads.com/prices.html Bullet Man Dan casts some very good looking bulets at extremely competitive pricing. I have had him cast up 500 .451 conicals in pure lead that will weigh ~430 grains each and are based upon the Lyman 457193 mould. That mould makes a bullet very similar to one I produce myself from a LEE 457-405F mold. The one I make is superbly accurate and I expect Dan's will be just as good. The total cost of those 500 conicals, lubed with his own #2 lube, will be $105 delivered from Alaska!

    If you go to Dan's sight, take a look at his Links page and then Bullet Auction links. There you will get a look at some of the bullets he produces. They all look extremely good to me. He should also be able to produce bullets that would work well in sabots. Bullets can be produced in the alloy/hardness of your choice or pure lead as are mine.

    The great brotherhood of the DWBs :cool: will be working with Dan to find a most appropriate design for a .50 - .504 conical and hopefully he will be producing such a bullet soon. Meanwhile, Dan has stated he has other moulds which should produce very acceptable .50 cal conicals. We're communicating and I'm sure something good will come of it.

    Take note that if you need a special mould there will be additional cost.

    Just a heads up to some of you that like a choice and appreciate quality bargains. I will report back after testing the conicals Dan has produced for me. They are to be shipped tomorrow.

    I like to cast and produce my own hunting bullets but when a man can make and sell a comparable bullet for those prices - I may just shoot more and cast less. ;)
     
  2. JackJr

    JackJr New Member

    Nov 30, 2002
    Land Of BLAHS
    Rich, I anxiously await yer testing. Looks like a trip ta yer place in a few weeks.:D

    Jack
     

  3. Chairman

    Chairman Senior Member

    Dec 2, 2002
    Henry County

    Hey, Jack ~ if the shootin' party doesn't work out because of the weather this weekend, maybe we could take a road trip instead?!

    Besides ~ I've got a load of lead that's earmarked for UC, and it's about time that I get it to him.

    If you're not up for it Jack, that's OK. I might just make the trip myself anyways...depending on the weather, of course.

    I don't know if it helps or not, Rich, but I've been letting the lead age... :roll2:
     
  4. 1madjack

    1madjack New Member

    45
    Feb 17, 2006
    ebenezermo
    Thanks UC, like everyone else I'm anxiously waiting your report. Be interesting if he can get up and running on those .503s before h280man.:bangin: cya 1madjack:confused:
     
  5. Underclocked

    Underclocked New Member

    Jan 27, 2003
    Greenfield, MO. USA
    Got them in today. VERY WELL packaged in 10 boxes of 50.

    This picture may appear to show some geometric distortion - that's just the photo - they are fine. The weight range of these four randomly chosen bullets is 421.5 to 422.2 grains (nicely done Bullshop!). Close-ups like this also tend to make every minor imperfection look more significant. These are exceptionally well done cast bullets.


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  6. JackJr

    JackJr New Member

    Nov 30, 2002
    Land Of BLAHS
    Rich, those look very good. An excellent job of casting by Bullshop.:cheers::cheers::cheers:

    Jack
     
  7. 1madjack

    1madjack New Member

    45
    Feb 17, 2006
    ebenezermo


    Bullets that ort to be shot! Guess I'll be in the market for a .451 fore too long. God the little woman is gonna have a full blown hissy fit ifn I do!:bangin: 1madjack:confused:
     
  8. Underclocked

    Underclocked New Member

    Jan 27, 2003
    Greenfield, MO. USA
    All extras have been shipped to new owners (3x100). JackJr, I kept 200 fer myself but if ya want 50 when ya come down.... :D
     
  9. Underclocked

    Underclocked New Member

    Jan 27, 2003
    Greenfield, MO. USA
    http://www.missouri-whitetails.com/data/500/49BullshopQuicky.jpg

    Shot 3 was at least in part my fault. Next time I'll be more careful with seating pressure and weigh my charges before heading out. 5 grains less powder might help too. Sort of a last minute decision to go shoot and I was in a hurry to beat the rain. Horizontal spread for all 8 shots ~ 7/16", 6 of the 8 bullets in 1 5/8". Bullets load almost too easy and the lube works remarkably well. Almost no fouling buildup and no crud ring developed.

    Reason for 8 shots instead of 5 or 10? That's because I had 7 caps in the capper and one on the bench. :hysterical:

    Turns out I shouldn't have worried about the rain. Didn't get much.
     
  10. JackJr

    JackJr New Member

    Nov 30, 2002
    Land Of BLAHS
    Rich, looks very good!! At least you got out and did some shooting.:cheers::cheers::cheers:

    Jack
     
  11. Underclocked

    Underclocked New Member

    Jan 27, 2003
    Greenfield, MO. USA
    Thanks to Ed Mehlig and Gary (Contendernut), Bullshop will soon have a .410-385, .451-460, and .504-495 moulds (Bob Bowers aka Super 91 designed) to fill our orders!!! BIG thanks to those guys! Soon, in this case, means within just a few weeks, hopefully two or three. The NEW bullets are proven performers in any number of appropriate rifles (many Knights will shoot great with those bullets). Some extremely impressive groups have been fired with them.

    For those of you not familiar with Bullshop, his is a family run operation out of Delta Junction, Alaska. I recently ordered 500 of a lubed and sized .451 421 grain conical he was able to make and deliver for a total cost of $105 to my Missouri location. His prices (subject to lead cost fluctuations) are fantastic and level of quality is quite high.

    Here's a link to his pricing http://bullshop.gunloads.com/prices.html . Those prices can flutuate a bit also based upon any special needs (such as an additional sizing effort for my bullets) but they are still fantastic in today's world.

    My first attempt at shooting his bullets was a no-counter that some bad scope rings turned into a wasted trip. Second effort with my White 98 was done in a hurry as rain was closing in. The vertical spread in this group of 8 shots can be attributed to not-so-careful thrown charges, not-so-careful seating pressure, and just plain operator error especially with regard to shots 3 and 5. The horizontal spread is only about 7/16" in spite of those negative factors. (see picture link in prior post).

    These are extremely good conicals even though the original mould was intended to drop a bullet for .458 rifles. Not so with the NEW moulds he will have coming, they are designed specifically for muzzleloaders.

    Please check your bore size (land to land) and order that exact diameter or perhaps as much as .001 larger if you wish to try some nice conicals. No custom caster could be responsible for your ordering the incorrect size of bullet.

    These should be a great alternative to PRBullet conicals as well as the NoExcuses (or store bought varieties) at extremely competitive prices.
     
  12. JackJr

    JackJr New Member

    Nov 30, 2002
    Land Of BLAHS
    Rich, thanks for the great info on a fantastic new supplier of conicals. The pricing for these bulets is excellent as well and I look forward to seeing and shooting them.

    Jack
     
  13. Underclocked

    Underclocked New Member

    Jan 27, 2003
    Greenfield, MO. USA
    Hope MrB doesn't mind but I put together a pic showing what Bullshop currently has by way of bullet selection for the .50, .45 and .41 muzzleloaders. Bullets shown are sized to .504, .451, and .410 but there are other sizing options.

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  14. Underclocked

    Underclocked New Member

    Jan 27, 2003
    Greenfield, MO. USA
    .410 caliber 385 grains, .451 caliber 466 grains, and .504 caliber 495 grain bullet moulds are now at Bullshop. He should start producing those next week (the .451 466 grain is already in production and shown at the right above). I know of one other mould he will be getting which is a .504 clone of a NoExcuses conical at 460 grains. I've shot some bullets from that NE Clone mould, very nice.
     
  15. Chairman

    Chairman Senior Member

    Dec 2, 2002
    Henry County
    :banana::wink4::dancin::cheers:


    I appreciate all the info, UC... :wave:


    Now, I just need to go shootin'! :bangin:
     
  16. Underclocked

    Underclocked New Member

    Jan 27, 2003
    Greenfield, MO. USA
    I shot two of the Bull Shop .504 conicals again today. Just fired one three shot group with the NEI mould #373 500 grain conicals and one of same with the RCBS mould 560 grain conicals. Was using thrown charges as I had ran out of weighed charges while shooting Bat's bullets (Bull Shop has the mould to make a bullet just like the one Batchief makes). What makes today's effort a bit unfair to Bull Shop (aside from thrown vs weighed) is that I had just shattered my own nerves trying to shoot a 5-shot group with Batchief's bullets. I'll post a link to that target below the other so that you can easily see the heat was on if you look at the shot numbers.

    First target - two upper bulls show Bullshop bullet tests:
    http://www.missouri-whitetails.com/data/500/49BS041006.jpg

    Second target - my 5-shot group and why my nerves were shattered :whinging:
    http://www.missouri-whitetails.com/data/500/49HeartbreakGroup.jpg
     
  17. JackJr

    JackJr New Member

    Nov 30, 2002
    Land Of BLAHS
    Rich, man that is some great shooting. Even with that one off shot that bottom target is a winner if you send it to Jay.:cool: All these new bullets are making me want to go shoot. I had planned to make it down your way but as usual things didn't work out.:frown:

    Jack
     
  18. Batchief909

    Batchief909 New Member

    25
    Sep 25, 2004
    Ah think #4 was on purpose....:bangin:
     
  19. Underclocked

    Underclocked New Member

    Jan 27, 2003
    Greenfield, MO. USA
    I think Dave and I should NOT have talked about how good the three shot group was before I shot number 4. NOOOOO, I don't fold under pressure! :roll2: I should have just quit on number three.

    But.....those three first shots are only the best 3-shot group I've ever shot in my life with a muzzleloader. I've shot 1/2"ers and 5/8"ers before but.....:whinging:
     
  20. Chairman

    Chairman Senior Member

    Dec 2, 2002
    Henry County
    WHOA...

    :eek:

    Nice shootin' indeed, UC! :banana: