Was out at the range yesterday putting the finishing touches on some rifles and trying out some new handloads. (really need something better for 120gr for 7mm-08):wave: Was watching some other guys down the line and had to step in before I went crazy. First guy was about 16. Rem 7400 with a $5.00 scope. He'd stack his ammo boxes up for a rest after he figured out he couldn't get the gun zeroed by free handing it. Placed his left hand over the barrel and complained about how hot the barrel got on each shot. Gas ports do tend to have that effect on bare skin. :stickfight: Explained that to him and got the Lead sled out to help get the rifle on. Another guy was out there with his .30 cal carbine. Good shooter out to about 50 and explained that the 30 rd. magazine would be illegal during deer season. He said he'd never had a problem in the past. Just trying to save him some $$$$$. Third guy shootin with his bi pod couldn't get it on. Lead sled there to fine tune. Talked about how they couldn't justify the cost of one. Between the three of them they went through a minimum of 5 boxes of ammo. Some really high dollar stuff at that. I tried to explain that to get the rifle on only takes 3-4 shots with the lead sled and then practice with the rifle sighted in. Those 5 boxes of ammo probably cost in the neighborhood of $140-150. You can get a lead sled for around $100. pays for itself in a year.:02: Last guys. One was a shooter. He could take the old military surplus guns and make them shoot. Had a Draganov (probably spelled wrong) that he had another guy shooting. Kept having him dial in the range on the "Sniper" scope to shoot out to 500yds. according to him he was shooting through the hole in the 500 yard steel target. According to what I was seeing (dust cloud) he was missing. Watched these guys shoot till they ran out of ammo. Their comment was they were going home to reload some hunting ammo now that the guns were zeroed. I try to help out when I can and was amazed at what I saw.(although I shouldn't have been) All in all, the Rem 700, .243 will put the Bergers in the head of the silhouette target at 500 yds. the 2 encores 25-06 heavy barrel and 7mm-08 are good. The 7mm-08 would be better if I could get a 120 gr. to shoot consistantly. 140gr shoot Minute of deer to 300. My Tikka 25-06 was fun to say the least. No complaints with any of the loads and look forward to seeing what it will do on a deer in the next week of deer season. .300 WSM is being loaned out to a family that lost their house and everything in it so it's checked out as well. Have fun this year and make sure your deer weaponry is sighted in. Dont want to read a bunch of post of how the rifle was off and caused me to miss the "Biggun".