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Discussion in 'Trail Cam Photos & Pics from the stand' started by River rat86, Feb 25, 2018.
And still, only one if us has the fact on his side... lmao
I used to be able to hear about 12 - 20 different gobblers from my house early in the morning. North east south and west.
Last year I heard one all season. In fact a guy who has always came and hunted turkeys on us with great success, came up a few days before season last year, pre-scouting early in the morning. After two days of early morning listening and trying to get birds to shock gobble he came to the conclusion we had one gobbler. So he didn't bother to come hunt and went somewhere else in the state to hunt. For a couple of years prior to that he knew we were headed down hill fast population wise. He said, " I can't in good conscious try to kill that one gobbler with the population down this bad."
Where are you un NWMO?? Ive been all over the region and the only place as bad as you describe are Holt and Atchison counties, and thats a habitat removal issue IMO.
I couple years ago we didnt hear many birds, thought there werent many, and ended up killing 4 off 160 acres by season end. Many years birds will be all around one day and wont hear a single gobble the next...
Where does MO rank in terms of turkey population compared to the other states?
Think so. I don't. I was just extending a joke someone else had made. You probably didn't read it though in your pursuit of something to complain about. Lol.
This was funny and worth adding to.
You wont find many states that do their estimates the same, and many dont do estimates... plus states arent the same size. Tx has the most, but Tx is almost 4 times bigger than MO. Many biologists will tell you that regardless of state estimates, MO likely has the most turkeys other than TX. We kill the same or greater numbers of birds in 3 weeks as mant states do in 7 weeks, with similar hunter numbers/densities. When MOs new model is complete you can expect out turkey population estimate to be higher by a good margin than the current one. We will likely have the highest estimate other than TX as that point.
Only one I see complaining is the guy confronting the 2 guys in here stating truths.
80-90% of adult male turkey mortality happens in the spring only about 35% of which is human caused. To illustrate, if there are 100 turkeys alive March 15 2018, 40ish will still be alive on March 14 2019.
Of the 60 that died, 51 will die in spring(March 15- June 15), and only 21 out of the 60 that died all year were due to hunters. So, 30 adult gobblers died from 3/15- 6/15 from natural mortality....
Thats a whole lot of natural mortality (30 dead birds vs hunting mortality(21 dead birds))
Humor yourself Henry...........my "pursuit of something to complain about".........that's almost laughable..........please.........enlighten me on the meaning of your statement.
Did you NOT just do exactly what you accused Hawk of?
Do you NOT see the irony?
Did you "extend the joke' from within the thread that the original joke was made?
No.............you chased him to a new thread that was clean of your twos petty bickering and did EXACTLY what you accused him of!
Sorry..............but he's in your head!
If you weren't looking for something to complain about you would know the post was in the thread. You wouldn't need to ask me.
If I kept track of all the mindless drivel between you two my head would explode!
And btw................the post regarding chasing each other around who's in who's head is NOT in this thread so I surely wouldn't ask you.
I realize that estimates are estimates but these would have to be a far cry off for MO to rank 2nd. In terms of density we rank 10 but there are some pretty small states.
Check that... not exactly a far cry off but it looks like the 3-6th place states are all pretty darn close.
Texas ranks 30th in terms of density, big state
Gentry County. I have had trail cams on us for almost a year and a hen with 2 young were all we were getting. Seeing turkeys while driving around used to be an everyday thing. For the last three years it is a rare occurrence. Mainly due to horrendous amounts of rain for three spring/summers in a row if I had to guess. And yes the nest predators are flourishing too.
They are. This is how Alabama estimate population....
Has there been tons of crp removed, land cleared etc near you also? Ive hunted in Northern Gentry and while there are fewer birds, its nothing close to that bad.
A lot of the same data is going into the model the MDC is developing. None of them are going to be perfect.
Missouris current model is much more comprehensive, out dated, but comprehensive. Missouris model is admittedly underestimating the total population for the state. Some of those states are simply estimating population via harvest totals.
Regardless, MO likely has more turkeys than most of those states. I dont see any way that ks has 350k if we only have 317k. Almost half of ks has very little turkey habitat, and the SW corner has hardly any turkeys at all right now.