Once you guys get your way and there are no more non-resident hunters on your private conservation area, dont you think locals will just fill the void?I appreciate that you are on the same page with me about the need for change. Can you give me some examples of your personal efforts or group efforts that have failed in the past? Are you aware of any attempts to discuss with local state representatives?
So your complaint isnt at all that its too busy with folks and not enough room for you to hunt?BTW...if residents fill a void, then I have no complaint. If they aren't hunting it now due to excessive use by NR's then I'm sure they will support the efforts made to correct that.
No. There are public ground hunters that actually scouted and hunt places farther away that will fill the void by hunting a place closer once the word is out.Why would that happen? You're saying that the resident hunters that are currently hunting private property will suddenly quit their private property and flood to public areas? Why?
Not any more.Thanks for the advice but you didn't answer my question. Do you hunt public land at all? How does unlimted NR permits effect your hunting ground? If you aren't impacted in anyway by it I have a hard time taking your advice seriously. You call my concern for this complaining. I call it giving a damn enough to take action. I am doing more than "complaining" about in this forum. Time will tell if my efforts get any traction. Have you ever felt strongly enough about something to get involved to make a difference? Sorry if my "complaining" is annoying you.
He’s directing it at me but he doesn’t know either one of us so I really wonder who is “short on experience” as far as that goes.I don't know if you are directing this at me, but I hunted public ground for many years before getting fed up with the nonsense of it all, and bought my place.
What I am trying to say, is that the most likely scenario you will be facing if you push to have pressure reduced on public CA's is they will fall into the managed hunt program. If you are so convinced MDC only cares about money, that makes sense in that regard too, cause you now will have to buy special tags to hunt there.
What I do believe is, the issue with CA's is not just NR's. And, putting more restrictions just on NR's is a slippery slope. Although, it does play well into the outfitters hands..... I don't want MO putting restrictions on NR's access to public ground, in part because of the amount of hunting I have done on other states public ground, but maybe you just hunt MO, and that don't matter to you.
Sorry to quote you when you are talking to someone else, but I’ll give a couple of examples of how things can be.I understand your perspective but I have a question, do the other states you hunt allow unlimted NR tags and unlimited public land access? Are tags sold for specific zones or statewide? Is the process a "free for all" like MO or is it more controlled? I would think that even NR's coming to MO to hunt would appreciate a higher quality experience on public ground.
If you would have said from the very start that there are extenuating circumstances that prevent you from finding other opportunities, you would have avoided people coaching you on expanding your possibilities.I never said that I don't have other opportunities. For various reasons, its in my best interest to hunt close to home these days. Reform is in my backyard so to speak which means it's very convenient. The fact that I'm so close makes me very intimately familiar with how hunters utilize it, both RES & NR.
Happy Thanksgiving to you as well. Good luck and keep us posted on how things turn out for you. Having a place to hunt nearby is gold. I worked on a place with a local landowner in STL county and gained access to a farm 9 minutes from my house. I relished that opportunity, killed a buck and a couple does, was really nice to be in a stand 15 minutes after you leave the house. It got flooded and was never the same so I lost that.I appreciate all those who have offered advice on things that I can do to avoid hunting on crowded public ground. Truth is though, I already know these things. My whole point to starting this post was to express my opinion that the sale of unlimted NR tags is causing an UNBELIEVABLE amount of pressure on some of our public hunting areas. I made a statement in a prior post that I would not be surprised if 90% of all NR's are hunting north of the Missouri River from the last week of October through mid November with most hunting public CA's. I'm not aware of any way to track that data so its pure speculation on my part based on what I see. At times, you would think CA parking lots were hosting Black Friday sales for Walmart and Best Buy with an extra discount for NR's.
Anyway, this thread has gotten a little off track. Things are kinda crazy in our country right now and we have lots more problems to solve than deer hunting problems. It's Thanksgiving and I'm thankful! I would like to wish everyone a safe and Happy Thanksgiving!
I agree that the tag prices are part of the problem.I see both sides of this coin...and have been on both sides and feel I could argue both ways. So, I won't do that.
One simple action that I do wish they would do is double the price of OOS tags. Even if you left them as over the county, I don't think you'd see much of a drop off in sales...I mean, it's only $275 additional. But, this would increase revenue over $13,000,000....which, if you evenly distributed this across all 114 counties (and yes, I know this is a simpleton / quick way of spreading the money evenly even though it is not) that would come out to around $115,000 per county. Use that $, hire 2 guys or contractors per county, and year around have them doing FSI / TSI / prescribed burning / food plots / NWSG plantings, etc....essentially anything habitat related to those conservation areas in their county. Make the conservation area's the model of what private lands should strive for. It would also be a huge benefit to the wildlife in the area.
It always pays to triple check what tag you are using before you notch it. It’s easier than one would think to make a mistake using the app and telechecking.Assuming you are referring to Archery tags, you actually received 2 any deer tags and 2 turkey tags when you purchased it. You cannot buy a 2nd buck tag, but you can buy additional antlerless tags. If you put one of those initial ANY DEER “archery” tags on a doe then you can now only kill 1 buck with a bow to this year.