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@letemgrow That last part of stand 1, have you created those larger openings, and if so how large are they and what did you end up planting?
 

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@letemgrow That last part of stand 1, have you created those larger openings, and if so how large are they and what did you end up planting?
They were created and left to reseed with whatever was there.

The plan was used in synchrony with the cost share I received from MDC...so there hasn't been a need to go back through those areas yet.
 

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Thanks for posting those LMG. I haven't seen one before. Up to now I just thought of the plan as a necessary step to get things moving but that looks like something I would use a lot.
 

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Thanks for posting those LMG. I haven't seen one before. Up to now I just thought of the plan as a necessary step to get things moving but that looks like something I would use a lot.
It is the necessary form used to apply for cost share. They center it around your objectives, which sometimes are outside of the scope of cost share that you may be applying for.
 

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MDC cost share for burning is a flat rate of $550.00 for less than 15 acres. It's an additional $20.00 per acre after that.
That’s for glades or wooded acres. Which is probably what he’s looking for since we’re talking about forest management. But grass fields qualify as well at a lower payment rate.

Depending on the location, size, and timeline you are working with, EQIP rates can pencil out quite a bit better.
 

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How do you go about getting the MDC to cost share and learn of the programs?
MDC website is a good place to start. When I got here 2 yr's ago, I knew MDC had a private lands program. The biologist came out and basically steered me to work with the district forester, and that's what I've been doing. Working with forestry has provided the most cost share. The USDA has cost share programs, but I've found the MDC process much easier for me personally. Given my career experience and my wildlife objectives, I kinda knew what was needed on our property. The forester agreed and it's been a pretty easy process. Some might consider the labor difficult, but I kinda like it.
 

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How do you go about getting the MDC to cost share and learn of the programs?
As kevinoller said, MDC's website will tell you the name and contact info for the PLC (private land conservationist?) for your county. In our case, she came out and walked the property. She offered her opinion on what programs and cost shares would be most appropriate.
The confusing part, for me anyway, is that MDC, USDA, Extension Centers, and Quail Forever are all working out of the same office. We did a cedar removal through MDC and half the money came from quail forever.
Now with the NRCS we are starting, I haven't worked with anybody from USDA, a guy from Quail Forever is taking care of everything.
 

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How much $ per acre to they pay you to burn?
As I stated earlier NRCS pays at a rate considerably higher than the MDC.

As @kevinoller99 stated, MDC pays $550 for less than 15 acres and then $20 for each additional acre. Using those numbers, the payment from MDC for the hypothetical burning of my Unit 1 consisting of 24.7 acres would be approximately $744 using MDC funding tables.

When going through the NRCS Conservation Stewardship Program (CSP), I receive an actual payout of $232 to clear the firebreak of leaves/debris as well as an additional payment of $2347 to complete the burn for a total of $2579 for my 24.7 woodland acres under the CSP program.

As you can see, the $2579 CSP payout is considerably higher than the $744 payout from MDC but the record keeping/paperwork is much more cumbersome when comparing the two so depending on your patience/skills consider wisely when selecting a program as with any federal program expect paperwork/delays.

CSP is a program designed to reward stewards of their land who have performed long-term enhancements to their land over many years so it pays at a rate even higher than EQIP which is where most folks start out when going through the NRCS. My property has been in MDC programs from 1994 through 2018, EQIP from 2019 through 2021, and I just got approved for CSP funding in October of 2022.
 

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As I stated earlier NRCS pays at a rate considerably higher than the MDC.

As @kevinoller99 stated, MDC pays $550 for less than 15 acres and then $20 for each additional acre. Using those numbers, the payment from MDC for the hypothetical burning of my Unit 1 consisting of 24.7 acres would be approximately $744 using MDC funding tables.

When going through the NRCS Conservation Stewardship Program (CSP), I receive an actual payout of $232 to clear the firebreak of leaves/debris as well as an additional payment of $2347 to complete the burn for a total of $2579 for my 24.7 woodland acres under the CSP program.

As you can see, the $2579 CSP payout is considerably higher than the $744 payout from MDC but the record keeping/paperwork is much more cumbersome when comparing the two so depending on your patience/skills consider wisely when selecting a program as with any federal program expect paperwork/delays.

CSP is a program designed to reward stewards of their land who have performed long-term enhancements to their land over many years so it pays at a rate even higher than EQIP which is where most folks start out when going through the NRCS. My property has been in MDC programs from 1994 through 2018, EQIP from 2019 through 2021, and I just got approved for CSP funding in October of 2022.
I'll be checking out the CSP !
 

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Me too. Hopefully they do it in Monroe county. Think I can still get cost share for this year or is it to late?
I had to apply by mid November for EQIP. I am not sure if the deadlines are the same for other programs.
 

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As kevinoller said, MDC's website will tell you the name and contact info for the PLC (private land conservationist?) for your county. In our case, she came out and walked the property. She offered her opinion on what programs and cost shares would be most appropriate.
The confusing part, for me anyway, is that MDC, USDA, Extension Centers, and Quail Forever are all working out of the same office. We did a cedar removal through MDC and half the money came from quail forever.
Now with the NRCS we are starting, I haven't worked with anybody from USDA, a guy from Quail Forever is taking care of everything.

I'm fortunate, that when our property was mapped, it was still done by the MDC forester, so I didn't have to go through the equip program.

That mapping is what all of our current programs are based off of. My PLC & the NRCS guy work out of the same office. Both guys are extremely helpful & work hard to help us keep up with what programs we qualify for. We just signed new CSP contracts. They'll include invasive controls, edge feathering & new pollinator plots, as well as maintaining the old pollinator plots from the last CSP contract.

I don't know if he checks in here much anymore, but I wouldn't hesitate to reach out to MaconPLC with questions. Ted is a wealth of knowledge & is very knowledgeable about setting up your habitat programs with deer in mind.
 
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