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Discussion in 'Trapping/Furbearing' started by henry, Nov 29, 2016.
When someone makes up something that isn't true it's a lie. Since you didn't have 6.5 poults per hen you lied. You made it up to one up the guy who had 3.5 phr. And everyone who knows your methods knows it. Lol
If it was made up I must be clairvoyant. The cards from June and July, well before you stated your phr, show this:
I will agree with two points. That being better habitat will produce better than lousy habitat and bad weather in June can negatively impact the hatch/poult survival. I have never disagreed with that. However, coming from somebody who has plenty of good to great habitat in my area and did NOT have bad weather in June, to say that 1) an increased amount of predators don't negatively impact the hatch/poult survival and 2) cold/wet conditions in April/May also don't negatively impact it is just totally wrong/ignorant of reality. And by the way, those things aren't just based on 2017, they are based on 30 plus years of actual observations.
It does completely amaze me (pizz me off) how I can pull the ACTUAL weather conditions of south central MO from April/May and you blow that off as a fabrication and you come up with the crap you do regarding "numbers" and how you skew them to supposedly tell a great story and then project it over the entire state .................. You talk about fabricating something.
Ok, you saw four hens with poults and no hens with none????? 1) In reality, that is damm few hens in a damm small of an area and absolutely no way in he11 tells the story of the entire state. You can come up with all kinds of awesome phr's if you only see a handful of hens that happen to have a few poults each in tow. 2) That kind of phr was NEVER even close to being observed when there was truly good turkey hatches happening in MO and again is no way representative of the state. You could have a phr of 12:1 if you happen to see the 1 hen with 12 poults on your farm but in no possible can you pretend that is representative of the state or even the immediate area of your farm. 3) To not see a single hen without a poult is highly unlikely/not possible or at the very least, totally un-representative of actual conditions.
And also, if you got 900 acres of prime turkey habitat like you say.................... You should be seeing way more than 4 hens with 24 poults in a two month period. That really ain't all that great in reality. Totally a function of not having a clue of how good it was in MO when there truly was a good turkey population.
Cold doesnt hurt a an egg. Cold weather doesnt matter until eggs are hatched. Rain does impact a hatch. Ive nevwr disputed that.
I never said it was indicative of the whole state. It is indicative of a property with excellent habitat in North MO. It was further validated by all the turkey sightings during deer seasons. We saw and heard turkeys every sit during firearms, and most during archery.
I had 9 cameras out on about 500 acres. Never had a picture of a hen without poults. Again, Im sure there were some that had no poults, but they werent observed. I conducted the survey exactly as the cards instructed. This year due to family issues and illnesses I wasnt at the farm as much as in the past during the survey period. I was there more in August, and tons in sept -dec. While Im sure if we werr to have gps tracked all hens on the property we wouldnt have come up with 6.5 phr, Im positive, based on all the observations of young poults sept-dec that we had WELL above average production for our region.
9 cameras on 500 acres and never saw a single hen without a poult?
I had 2 on 175 acres and got 2 or 3 hens with no poults (I'd have to go back and check but 2 for sure), but you'll probably tell me I have crappy habitat.
I dont get it either. Most of mine are in bottom ground and it flooded so maybe that played a part?? Most of our turkeys were spotted in person on an upland part of the farm thats about 200 acres and has no cameras. I also dont have any cameras over decent brooding habitat. I dont really know why I didnt get any at that farm, but I just dont usually get many turkeys in these camera locations.
I wouldnt put much stock in your survey then... it doesnt sound very comprehensive.
It was done by the guidelines set forth by MDC.
Again with the turkeys being camera shy. Lol.
No one said they were camera shy.
I guess what I mean is there are portions of your place that werent under surveillance and therefore not a complete survey.
The P:H numbers the MDC publishes are based on surveys done by the guidelines and they dont approach 6.5 so yours seems to be an outlyer, good or bad.
Oh, I absolutely think they are an outlier. Most people dont have the turkey nesting habitat we do.
But thats the problem with looking at small areas like 160 acres. Your neighbor may have tons of poults and you have none, as has been shown by the year todd was whining but his neighbors had lots of poults
Oh my. Not camera shy , just by some amazing coincidence on the farm with no cameras. What are the odds.
Im not the proven liar here.
Sure you are. You just resurrected the very thread you actually admitted to it. Lol
I diidnt lie. You got an email response answering your question on Jan 2nd at 8:03 am.... are you SURE you wanna do this???
Goes to show how surveys aren’t always reliable sources of information. Even though they may be accurate to what was observed doesn’t mean it was accurate to what actually is in an area. They can be manipulated knowingly and unknowingly.
That may be, but Im confident that our areas overall phr wasnt that much lower. Maybe 4-4.5 ish. These things at this scale are merely trends, not actual complete pictures.