Well i figer id start looking now for duck and goose season will be on us sone enouf. NO way woudl i expsect my son to shoot a 3inch shell at a duck or goose. So i nead to find some 2 3/4 steel loads for him. I not got relaoding equipment for shootguns so cant laod some up my self. I would not be adverse to him using ones that some one laoded up wiht us thouhg. If we did the relaod way we might be able to get some that has recoil like a high brass pheasent laod. I figer id see if any one knows of a componie that makes 2 3/4 steel loads for 20ga just incase we find a plase to take my 8 year old duck hunting this year.