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Discussion in 'Predators' started by 76_michael, Feb 11, 2018.
So you need to go look for tracks! LOL
All those encounters in Missouri?
likely just a fox squirrel
All except one. One was in southern IA back in the early 2000's. My brother in law and I were hauling a load of cattle he bought home from the sale barn in Lamoni. We made a right turn onto a blacktop from another black top.(SW of Lamoni) There was a large heavily timbered draw on the south side of the road, and nothing but wide open short grass pasture on the north side.
All of a sudden there was a huge black "looking" cat standing broadside taking up about half of the blacktop. Now the sun was low in the west so the cat was backlit and looked dark colored. Head held up high looking at the bare grass pasture with no cover. Tail hanging all the way to the ground and curling back up into almost a circle at the tip.
I immediately started hollering what is it!!! WHAT IS IT!!!!! (not wanting to give my brother in law preconceptions about what it was) Just as I got that spit out the cat did a 180 and belly crawled like lightning back to the south into the big thick draw. My brother in law had been looking down at his gauges and looked out my window instead of in front of us when I hollered. CRAP!!! My brother in law never saw it!!!! We were only about 50-75 yards from the cat, and just after it went back where it came from a pick up truck came flying up the west side of the draw with about a dozen members of the orange army in the cab and the back of the truck.(Dec shotgun season)
I always wondered if they had been running draws and knew it was there, and were flying to catch up with it, or if they were just hauling butt to the next draw to make use of their last 45 minutes of daylight.
So even though this was a quick sighting I am positive it was a huge long tailed cat. The one I had scoped in 87 I had several minutes to kill it, and of course the one I had treed in 98 I could have killed too.(but not with the CB's I had in my 10/22 Ruger )
I'd say you are very fortunate to see so many lions. People that live in western North American areas with very high lion densities may never see a mountain lion in the wild. Hunters, hunting guides, forestry and conservation workers rarely see a lion, even in high population areas of the lions natural range. You've managed all those sightings in a state with a very thin, sparse population that is widely scattered. Awesome for you!
maybe there is more here and MO and they are just as good at hiding. We have had females in the state, although supposedly they don't breed, what if they do???
That’s only a few miles from where I live now.
Come to think of it... I think that’s only a mile from me.
MO has a trail cam on just about every other tree. You would think if they were so common we would have more evidence.
The MDC never said that they dont breed in MO. They said that they have no evidence of breeding. Why dont we have females with kittens on any cameras to this point?
I went on a mountain lion hunt in Montana with Del Cameron. He said he had never seen a mt lion in the wild that wasn't up a tree and he had been doing it for over 50 years. He hunted them for a bounty and trained dogs his whole life. He was also full time big game guide. I thought it was just bad luck that he never spotted one.
I have been blessed or maybe cursed at times. I have also seen 27 bobcats since 1998. Which many people have never seen one of these either. One of my neighbors trapped 48 bobcats the first year they were legal. Back in the early 2000's I would drive back roads checking tracks. Bobcat tracks out numbered coyote tracks about 6 to 1 for about a 5 year period. Now they are pretty rare compared to 15 years ago. My 8 year old did have a bobby go by his tree stand at 12 yards during early bow season this year. A day he will never forget.
Back in the late 90's and early 2000's there were literally 100's of cougar sightings in my area. The type of sightings where 3 different people, from 3 different states, saw the same cougar within a 1/4 mile stretch on the same creek opening day of deer season in a 5 minute period, and none of them knew the others had seen it. Another day a pair was seen by 2 different neighbors about 5 miles from me (in 97 I think). Neither knew the other had seen it.
Since about 2008? when they delisted them in MO and had a rash of about 60 confirmations compared to the 12 before then, I have hardly heard of any sightings. One, I think they are thinned out to what they were(totally gone), and two, it went from being a crazy rare thing for someone to see one to the point where if someone sees one now, it is like, oh well everyone around here has seen one, and it is not big news anymore.
In 87 I was gonna shoot a coyote while deer hunting.... but then I didn't shoot it because it wasn't a coyote it was a cougar. I had ample time to turn the scope up to 9 power and sit there in amazement at what I was seeing. Then the one in 98 that I treed was an awesome experience too. Flip the old 6 volt nite lite spotlight on and the first thought that hit my mind was cows and deer can't climb 70 foot up a limbless cottonwood tree. Those 2 golfball sized green eye staring out of a basketball sized head leaves an impression on you. It has been about 11 years since I saw one, so maybe I am due again.
I just wished I could be as blessed at seeing 200" typicals as I have been lions.
I've only seen one or two of those.
The one story I will never forget was sitting at Warren Haslouer's table for breakfast. I was enjoying his stories about big tom's, and hounds killed, and jaguars treed and taken etc etc etc. But the one that got away was the one that haunted him.
They had dropped the dogs on the edge of a huge 1/4 mile deep canyon in Utah(or Idaho?). He said it was only about 100 yards wide, but 1/4 mile deep. The dogs struck and dropped off into the bottom of the canyon, and almost immediately they were watching a huge "normal colored tan cougar and a huge glistening black cougar" run up the canyon wall on the other side. He said it was bright sunshine shining on both cats. He had no explanation as to why one looked shiny black, and the other normal. He said he put in about a month trying his darndest to see this cat again or get it treed, but he never did.
Maddog, you should buy a book called Soul Among Lions. It is written by Harley Shaw. He is a biologist and the book is about his respect for the houndsmen who helped him keep his job as a biologist. Because these 3rd and 4th generation houndsmen knew what the epitome of "cougar" was better than any biologist he knew. And that he can't even think of cougar without hounds in the same thought after 50 some years of studying them. It is a book that any houndsman would love to read. Maybe someday I will get to cut some hounds loose after one out west.
got me, but you would think if they walked all they way from the Dakotas they would find a female and surely did....kitten with momma have been seen, but that doesn't count! 2 females have been confirmed in MO right? don't think the female walk from the Dakotas????
Didnt know about kittens with momma sightings. Is that verified?
That is a long way to walk for p*$$##y so you may be right.
House cat. Compare the size of the tree to the size of the cat.
Close to Peck Ranch
I never could see a tail from the first video. Not saying it isn’t a mt lion. I’m sure there down there.
Friend spotted one near Ellsinore.