Here's a pic of 2 different pairs of woodies...the top 2 are laminated ash, the bottom 2 are Chundoo cedar, from Canada, eh!!! The laminated shafts, bare, with just a nock glued on, weigh 506 grains!!! Pick a broadhead, and fletch this shaft, it'll really git heavy! The cedars weigh in at 446 grains. Both sets are stained grey, and dipped in gasket lacquer several times to seal, and then crested. I guess a guy could have worse hobbies!!!