MO Timber Price Trends/Hickory?
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Although hardwood lumber prices have decreased significantly, some commodity species such as poplar, red oak, and maple, have begun to rebound from the 6-7 month decline. Walnut certainly has. Timber owners are still holding onto prices from 18 months ago, causing supply issues. Green lumber prices are increasing as concentration yards need to get the lumber to keep drying. Also affecting log prices is a below average logging season and a high export of logs. China's opening and increased lumber purchasing has affected the overall availability of KD inventory and that will also apply pressure to the log supply domestically.
White oak is the only species that may continue to decline due to overproduction and a slow European market. Demand for all species remains high, but not as high as in 2021, which should be seen as an anomaly for almost every industry.
Hickory itself is mostly affected by the imports and world supply chain of hardwood flooring competitors flowing easier into the country. Hickory is used less than almost every domestic hardwood for mouldings, cabinets, wall panels etc.
White oak is the only species that may continue to decline due to overproduction and a slow European market. Demand for all species remains high, but not as high as in 2021, which should be seen as an anomaly for almost every industry.
Hickory itself is mostly affected by the imports and world supply chain of hardwood flooring competitors flowing easier into the country. Hickory is used less than almost every domestic hardwood for mouldings, cabinets, wall panels etc.
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Stave mills are busier now than ever because the amount of alcohol being consumed.
White oaks cellular structure is the reason it is used. Stave mills need vertical grain, quarter/rift, and clear of knots. Their waste is much higher than logs plainsawn or taken down to cants.
Needless to say stave mills chew up a lot of white oak logs and that is why we are still stumped at some of the pricing for white oak on KD lumber. Not to mention the drying challenges with that species.
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We get sawdust from McGinnis stave mill in Cuba . 6 48’ trailer loads a day and 11 on Monday .
The bourbon business is booming as we all know.
But I don’t know for how long . On our farm the white oak is firing out like the elm and ash.
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I love Hickory cabinets and furniture. Knotty Alder is my favorite followed by Hickory.
So are Cedar logs worth anything? Inlaws has fields full of very large cedars.
So are Cedar logs worth anything? Inlaws has fields full of very large cedars.
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Cedar cordwood was around $100 a cord
Logs worth a little more
Osage shavings Loose Creek
WW cedar company Freeburg .
It hard work . Skidsteer with grapple helps a lot .
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Curious as to how long of a wait after you first start the process of first contacting forester for logging have you experienced to when the first tree is felled? Are most loggers doing the logging in the winter months or does the month matter? Thinking of having my 40 acres logged.
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all depends I think. On how profitable your property is think would be priority #1 and work load. No weather other than wet or dry doesn't matter.
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in regards to that yea it is unsightly but the deer love it. Tops make easy firewood cuttn. It gives them a place to hide and if it's when the leaves are green more munchables. It does seem to encourage the multiflora to sprout but with 40 I think it'd be easy enough to nip in the nud..rabbits like to hide in our multi flora. Logging them big trees can be detrimental to have the Big Birds roosting on your place if you have some. Just from my limited experience you have to find a logger that gets what your looking to accomplish and it helps just to be on site showing an interest and learning all while being quality control
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From start to finish is all depending on who you’re using.
Time of year matters on some species because of how fast the log should be processed. Best time to log is when the tree is dormant and outside of growing season but year round logging is fine.
From start to finish is all depending on who you’re using.
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Depends on your species of cedar but yes Cedar is still sought after.
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One neighbor opened it up for free firewood to anyone . It’s mostly all there rotting . Deer yes but turkeys have avoided it now . It was big timber and beautiful almost park like.
And he didn’t make much . Most big oaks weren’t very good in the middle.
And he didn’t make much . Most big oaks weren’t very good in the middle.
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Sounds like your neighbor either got took and/or both parties weren’t quite sure what they were doing.
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What do you do for a living?
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I work for a hardwood sawmill.
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I had mine logged because I wanted the mess it really improves the deer habitat the money was just a bonus so if you like a nice forest with no undergrowth and a few deer in daylight they keep big mature timber if you want a thicket where deer move all day long haven’t logged and that’s just my opinion so take it for what it’s worth
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Agree with this, ours has been logged over the last 2 years and it’s phenomenal how deer flock to the felled tops. Can walk up on them like rabbits now. Regarding turkey we marked a few known roosting areas as no harvest but areas where they were thinned the birds are all over. Last spring instead of dropping directly into middle of big open fields they dropped in the timber landing zones for strutting. I have zero complaints and we accomplished our goal of opening the canopy and letting the timber thicken up. Just be sure to set strict timber harvest rules so you are not bent over.
Large acreage/contiguous log jobs are the absolute worst possible thing for the turkey population. Nobody will EVER convince me otherwise. Few, couple acre patches of brush, tops and slash scattered over a couple hundred acres of woods is fine or half the couple hundred acres very selectively cut is fine. Cut it all and you’ve ruined the turkey population for 30 years or mor on your property.
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