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Cliff notes please.
You need to understand that there are passionate deer stewards here but many may not have the patience to navigate these links.
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Whew!! 19 links to click on.....got threw half of the first one and nodded off....but it is getting close to my bedtime......can someone read the rest and let me know the shortened version please. :wave:
 

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Cliff notes please.
You need to understand that there are passionate deer stewards here but many may not have the patience to navigate these links.
all right, all right, I hear it all the time. my bad. i try and do that in the title, and then just put a link. it's not enough. then i post 3 pages of peer review transmission studies, and it's too long.:confused: but i understand.

I just want to tell the world the whole story, and there ain't enough room or time, and most don't want to know, or care. there's so much involved besides cwd in cervids and just game farms, sperm mills, antler mills, shooting pens, ...I suppose we call it now instead of deer hunting i.e. wild, I call it agriculture hunting, something like, let's go agriculture hunting tomorrow partner, ya got time, how much money ya got?...

DNR VS USDA $$$

well, as simply as I can put it, I will quote Stanley Prusiner ;

''yes i believe that prions are bad to eat and you can die from them''

http://www.sciencemag.org/site/feature/data/prusiner/214.xhtml

the OIE, the long arm of the USDA, which is nothing more that big ag industry, some former members of the big ag outfits, and the same goes from other Country's, but the OIE is the top gun for trade and regulates most all disease regulations, the OIE is the Gold Standard of big ag, WTO type.

Ron Arnold on the OIE

''Having been to their offices in Paris and talked personally with the Head of the Animal Test Section, you would choke if you knew how many lobby groups attend that office daily.''

also, see ;

"We have a test that not only works, but works each and every time," said Ron Arnold of BSE Prion Solutions Inc., adding formal validation may take up to two years and regulatory approval.

http://www.canada.com/topics/news/national/story.html?id=e0300291-19dd-48a8-8e88-963a06087ce2&k=6995

what this is about, is after me hounding the OIE for over a decade, about cwd something that should be considered as a potential zoonosis disease, a disease that is a risk factor for humans and animals, the OIE, and now a country, i am not sure which one, is concerned about this very thing, and is finally bringing it to the table, as i have interpreted it.

ah yes, i have not had time to look this up, but here it is, here is why ;

Article 1.2.2.

The criteria for the inclusion of a disease, infection or infestation in the OIE list are as follows:

1) International spread of the agent (via live animals or their products, vectors or fomites) has been proven.

AND

2) At least one country has demonstrated freedom or impending freedom from the disease, infection or infestation in populations of susceptible animals, based on the animal health surveillance provisions of the Terrestrial Code, in particular those contained in Chapter 1.4.

AND

3)

a) Natural transmission to humans has been proven, and human infection is associated with severe
consequences.

OR

b) The disease has been shown to cause significant morbidity or mortality in domestic animals at the level of a
country or a zone.

OR

c) The disease has been shown to, or scientific evidence indicates that it would, cause significant morbidity or
mortality in wild animal populations.

AND

4) A reliable means of detection and diagnosis exists and a precise case definition is available to clearly identify cases

and allow them to be distinguished from other diseases, infections and infestations.

OR

5) The disease or infection is an emerging disease with evidence of zoonotic properties, rapid spread, or significant morbidity or mortality and a case definition is available to clearly identify cases and allow them to be distinguished from other diseases or infections.

2 2013 © OIE - Terrestrial Animal Health Code Chapter 1.2.- Criteria for the inclusion of diseases, infections and infestations on the OIE list

http://www.oie.int/fileadmin/Home/eng/Health_standards/tahc/2010/chapitre_1.1.2.pdf

sorry about getting long winded sometimes...kind regards, terry
 

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Member Country details for listing OIE CWD 2013 against the criteria of Article 1.2.2., the Code Commission recommends consideration for listing

***UPDATE***

May 13, 2014

Member Country details for listing OIE CWD 2013 against the criteria of Article 1.2.2., the Code Commission recommends consideration for listing

Greetings everyone,

Finally, got a confirmation from top official inside OIE.

YES!

Indeed, CHRONIC WASTING DISEASE CWD has been brought to the OIE table, by more than one country, and WILL BE BROUGHT TO THE TABLE AGAIN, WHEN THE NEXT AD HOC EXPERT GROUP IS CONVENED...tss

''On more than one occasion our Commission has received a request from a Member Country to list CWD as a disease notifiable to the OIE. However, it is not our practice to specify which Member Countries make specific requests to us. All countries which submit national comments to us at our February and September meetings are listed in the reports of our meetings.
However, the country names are not linked to specific comments or requests.''

''they may also evaluate CWD against the OIE's CRITERIA.''

''That is where the situation stands at present. Next time an ad hoc group is convened to consider issues of listing and delisting, CWD will be evaluated. I have no idea of time frames.''
personal communication with OIE top official...tss
Rome was not built overnight I suppose...tss

> In response to a _Member Country's_ detailed justification for listing of chronic wasting disease of cervids (CWD) against the criteria of Article 1.2.2., the Code Commission _recommended_ this disease be reconsidered for listing.

http://ec.europa.eu/food/international/organisations/docs/eu_position_tahsc_report_feb2013_en.pdf

Annual report of the Scientific Network on BSE-TSE EFSA, Question No EFSA-Q-2013-01004, approved on 11 December 2013

*** Further, it was addressed that recently discussions have being held at OIE level on Chronic Wasting Disease of cervids.

page 6;

http://www.efsa.europa.eu/en/supporting/doc/532e.pdf

LINK UPDATED...

Monday, May 05, 2014

Member Country details for listing OIE CWD 2013 against the criteria of Article 1.2.2., the Code Commission recommends consideration for listing

http://chronic-wasting-disease.blogspot.com/2014/05/member-country-details-for-listing-oie.html

kind regards, terry
 

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REPORT OF THE MEETING OF THE OIE TERRESTRIAL ANIMAL HEALTH STANDARDS COMMISSION Paris, 19-28 February 2013

In response to a Member Country's detailed justification for listing of chronic wasting disease of cervids (CWD) against the criteria of Article 1.2.2., the Code Commission recommended this disease be reconsidered for listing.

http://www.oie.int/fileadmin/Home/e...ng/docs/pdf/A_TAHSC_Feb_2013_Introduction.pdf

REPORT OF THE MEETING OF THE OIE TERRESTRIAL ANIMAL HEALTH STANDARDS COMMISSION Paris, 17-26 September 2013

Item 5 Criteria for listing diseases (Chapter 1.2.)

Comments were received from Australia, EU, Japan, New Zealand, Switzerland, Thailand and AU-IBAR The Code Commission noted a Member Country's comment suggesting that greater clarity was needed for the term 'significant morbidity and mortality'. As noted in the February 2013 report, the Code Commission considered that the structured process of listing diseases, first by an expert group whose conclusions are documented and circulated for Member Countries' review and comment, then consideration by the World Assembly of Delegates before final adoption, is sufficiently rigorous and transparent.

http://www.oie.int/fileadmin/Home/e...s/pdf/A_TAHSC_Introduction_September_2013.pdf

link updated ;

Monday, May 05, 2014
Member Country details for listing OIE CWD 2013 against the criteria of Article 1.2.2., the Code Commission recommends consideration for listing

http://chronic-wasting-disease.blogspot.com/2014/05/member-country-details-for-listing-oie.html

Subject: Re: CWD AMERICA ???
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 19:10:18 +0200
From: "INFORMATION DEPT"
Organization: O.I.E
To: "Terry S. Singeltary Sr."
References: <3d2f0169 .3="" wt.net=""> < 012901c229b2 ad43bb90="" f00000a=""> [email protected]

I agree with you Dr Terry. The OIE, namely the International Animal Health Code Commission is working on making proposals to Member Countries to change the OIE lists so to avoid some the problems mentioned in you e-mail. This will take at least two years before adoption by the International Committee. For BSE, countries asked the OIE to post information on BSE on the OIE web site.

Personally, I am interested in Chronic Wasting Disease and I follow what is distributed through ProMed. Delegates of OIE Member Countries can propose diseases to be added to the list.

Kind regards.
Karim Ben Jebara

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Subject: Re: CWD AMERICA ???
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 19:10:18 +0200
From: "INFORMATION DEPT"
Organization: O.I.E
To: "Terry S. Singeltary Sr."
References: <3d2f0169 .3="" wt.net=""> < 012901c229b2 ad43bb90="" f00000a=""> [email protected]

I agree with you Dr Terry. The OIE, namely the International Animal Health Code Commission is working on making proposals to Member Countries to change the OIE lists so to avoid some the problems mentioned in you e-mail. This will take at least two years before adoption by the International Committee. For BSE, countries asked the OIE to post information on BSE on the OIE web site.

Personally, I am interested in Chronic Wasting Disease and I follow what is distributed through ProMed. Delegates of OIE Member Countries can propose diseases to be added to the list.
Kind regards.
Karim Ben Jebara

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http://transmissiblespongiformencep...07/oie-bse-cwd-scrapie-tse-prion-disease.html

----- Original Message -----
From: "Terry S. Singeltary Sr."
To: "INFORMATION DEPT"
Sent: Friday, July 12, 2002 8:43 PM
Subject: Re: CWD AMERICA ???

>>> *** Further, it was addressed that recently discussions have being held at OIE level on Chronic Wasting Disease of cervids. <<<

> hello Dr. Jebara,
>
> many thanks for your swift and kind reply.
>
> if i am not mistaken, it was the same email address.
> it was 3 or 4 weeks ago i wrote, as it is, i don't
> save 'sent' emails anymore, unless very important.
>
> my main concern (besides the fact that a potential TSE
> has been in the USA cattle for some time, but the APHIS
> do not test to find), is that the CWD could very well be
> transmitting to humans, and i just did not see to much
> posted about it on OIE site.
>
> > Coming back to your question, Chronic Wasting Disease is not an OIE
>
> > listed disease. Please see OIE disease lists at
>
> http://www.oie.int/eng/maladies/en_classification.htm#ListeA).
>
> why is this TSE (CWD) not listed and followed as with BSE ?
>
> Article 1.1.3.2.
> 1. Countries shall make available to other countries, through the
> OIE, whatever information is necessary to minimise the spread of
> important animal diseases and to assist in achieving better worldwide
> control of these diseases.
>
> http://www.oie.int/eng/normes/MCode/A_00005.htm
>
> The USA CWD is an important animal disease.
>
> why is it not followed?
>
> > The decision to add or delete a disease from the OIE lists, come
>
> > through proposals made by Member Countries and it has to be adopted by
>
> > the International Committee.
>
> i _urgently_ suggest a proposal to the OIE to follow this disease very
> closely, and to propose _more_ testing in the USA for TSEs in the USA
> cattle...
>
> kindest regards,
> terry
>
> INFORMATION DEPT wrote:
>
> > Dear Sir,
> >
> > This is the first time that I receive your e-mail. To whom have you written
> > in the OIE or to which address?
> >
> > Coming back to your question, Chronic Wasting Disease is not an OIE listed
> > disease. Please see OIE disease lists at
> > http://www.oie.int/eng/maladies/en_classification.htm#ListeA).
> >
> > Countries should report to the OIE any disease even is not listed in the
> > OIE's lists in some conditions (example: an exceptional epidemiological
> > event). Please read Chapter 1.1.3 of the International animal health code to
> > have more information on disease notification and epidemiological
> > information agreed by OIE Member Countries at :
> > http://www.oie.int/eng/normes/MCode/A_00005.htm
> >
> > The decision to add or delete a disease from the OIE lists, come through
> > proposals made by Member Countries and it has to be adopted by the
> > International Committee.
> >
> > Hope that I answered to your question.
> >
> > Best regards.
> >
> > Dr Karim Ben Jebara
> > Head
> > Animal Health Information Department
> > OIE
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Terry S. Singeltary Sr."
> > To:
> > Sent: Friday, July 12, 2002 6:18 PM
> > Subject: CWD AMERICA ???
> >
> >
> >
> >>I WROTE TO OIE RECENTLY ASKING 'WHY OIE DOES NOT FOLLOW CWD IN
> >>AMERICA' ? with no reply ? i am still seeking an answer ?
> >>
> >>many thanks,
> >>and kind regards,
> >>terry
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Thursday, May 01, 2014

Missouri DNR CWD prevention and captive cervid farming Update

http://chronic-wasting-disease.blogspot.com/2014/05/missouri-dnr-cwd-prevention-and-captive.html

Tuesday, April 29, 2014

Missouri SB964 Immediate Action Required: Captive Cervids Transfer is Still Alive in Senate

http://chronic-wasting-disease.blogspot.com/2014/04/missouri-sb964-immediate-action.html

*** Singeltary submission ;

*** Program Standards: Chronic Wasting Disease Herd Certification Program and Interstate Movement of Farmed or Captive Deer, Elk, and Moose

*** DOCUMENT ID: APHIS-2006-0118-0411 ***

see attachments PDF @ bottom of submission...tss

http://www.regulations.gov/#!documentDetail;D=APHIS-2006-0118-0411

http://chronic-wasting-disease.blogspot.com/2014/03/docket-no-00-108-10-chronic-wasting.html

kind regards, terry
 
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