LOBBYING TO MAKE SHOOTING COUGERS LEGAL

Discussion in 'Hunting News' started by huntforfunnfood, Feb 22, 2006.

  1. huntforfunnfood

    huntforfunnfood New Member

    Jun 30, 2003
    new bloomfield mo
    HEY MU I HEARD THERE WAS A MEETING IN SHELBY COUNTY TONIGHT
    SOMETHING ABOUT A BUNCH OF FARMERS MEETING WITH MDC AND FIGHTING TO MAKE SHOOTING COUGERS ON SITE LEGAL

    FILL US IN MAN WHAT WENT DOWN
     
  2. Shoot Tony we all know there ain't no cougars in Missouri, so why would you wanna shoot something that doesn't even exist?

    BTH
     

  3. Almost forgot


    :hysterical::hysterical::banana::toilet:


    Really though let's hear it MU.

    BTH
     
  4. henry

    henry Fan Boy aka Mr Twisty and

    That would almost be like making it illegal to shoot something that is'nt there,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,perhaps a concern for line of fire accidents:D

    :cheers::cheers:
     
  5. membergone

    membergone New Member

    Jan 17, 2004
    :hysterical: @ Henry.

    Frankly, I don't believe mosta the farmers I know need to HAVE no meeting about this, it's already been decided. :rotfl: They feel the same way about chicken hawks and bobcats. :sniper:
     
  6. MUHunter

    MUHunter New Member

    777
    Aug 13, 2003
    NE MO
    It was a very interesting meeting and I will try to fill you guys in as I have time.......
     
  7. Mossyoak

    Mossyoak New Member

    396
    Nov 12, 2003
    North
    Before we get this rumor started it wasn't just farmers meeting with MDC last night concerning issues related to Mt. Lions in Northeast Missouri.
     
  8. huntforfunnfood

    huntforfunnfood New Member

    Jun 30, 2003
    new bloomfield mo
    plese fill me in then i would love to hear all that were involded on either side of the fence and what went on and what was said there
     
  9. membergone

    membergone New Member

    Jan 17, 2004
    Well, that's nice. What rumor? I missed something somewhere.
     
  10. Mossyoak

    Mossyoak New Member

    396
    Nov 12, 2003
    North
    I was just making the point that it WASN'T just farmer's at the meeting last night, since the first post said something about a bunch of farmer's meeting with MDC to express concerns about Mt.Lions in the NE.
     
  11. MUHunter

    MUHunter New Member

    777
    Aug 13, 2003
    NE MO
    Here is my best attempt to give you the nuts and bolts of the meeting (long, sorry)

    The meeting was held in NE MO at North Shelby High school Wednesday, February 23 and the place was very full. A few people tried to count how many were there and I think most estimates were between 150 and 200 people. There were probably a dozen MDC employees there with the main speakers being Dave Hamilton, Lead for the Furbearers group, and Eric Kurzejeski, outreach programs chief. There were several other folks that shared their knowledge about mountain lions from the MDC but these two guys were probably the main ones, specifically Mr. Hamilton.

    Dave Hamilton gave about a 30-40 minute presentation on the history of mountain lions and how to distinguish them from bobcats and how to distinguish their tracks from a dog. He says they have received over 800 reported sightings since they developed the Mountain Lion Response team in 1996 (I think) but only 8 have been confirmed in this state since like 1994 by photo, tracks, scat, or road kills. He mentioned the rumors and pictures (most of which have been on here before) that go around on the internet and had some proof that they were taken in other states or were photoshop projects. He was pretty adamant that its not that they don’t believe people when they “say†they have saw mountain lion / cougars but that they just need physical evidence to “confirm†and officially record it.

    Their best guess is that most of these cats that are showing up in the Midwest are males from an established population in the black hills of South Dakota that are getting pushed out because of the territorial nature of the animal, the others “might†be captive animals that have gotten loose.

    As far as shooting them goes, he stated the wildlife code permits killing them on your property if you or your livestock are threatened. It was stated several times by the MDC folks last night that if you feel threatened, shoot them. Then you must report it in 24 hours so they can come get the animal for evidence. They were very liberal I think in their opinion on what was “threatening†and basically by the end of the meeting I think everyone in the crowd felt like they were telling us that if you shoot them and you “feel†(used very loosely) that you were threatened you would not get in trouble.

    The answered lots of questions from the crowd and were pretty straight forward and honest I think. They said the DID NOT or never even thought of releasing them. They said there is no such thing as a “black panther†only black leopards or black jaguars which aren’t game animals. One guy in the crowd said he has a black cat on his farm, the District Supervisor said that is NOT a game animal in this state and you can kill and keep it.

    The main theme though is that 90% of the people there didn’t want them and voiced that opinion. Those in attendance asked why they are protected and if this group will now go back to their superiors and try to get something accomplished that there is a season or some legal way to shoot them with no “threat†needed.

    I’m sure there was stuff I left out so fire up some questions and I will see if they covered it.

    All in all a very good meeting and the MDC handled themselves very well in my opinion!

    :sniper:

    :cheers:
     
  12. huntforfunnfood

    huntforfunnfood New Member

    Jun 30, 2003
    new bloomfield mo
    man i feel threathend just reading about them my self :D
     
  13. Mossyoak

    Mossyoak New Member

    396
    Nov 12, 2003
    North
    I was going to post a summary but that pretty much covers everything I was going to talk about...I will help MU answer any questions also that you guys may have......
     
  14. MUHunter

    MUHunter New Member

    777
    Aug 13, 2003
    NE MO
    I'm with ya HFFF. :D

    After rereading my post, it kinda sounds like I'm a MDC Homer or something but I was really impressed with Mr. Hamilton in how honest he was about how he would handle the situations discussed. Granted, I was pretty skeptical heading into the meeting that they would just feed us this line of crap and that they were not to be shot!
     
  15. Mossyoak

    Mossyoak New Member

    396
    Nov 12, 2003
    North
    One particular individual in the crowd that was behind getting this meeting brought forward ask the question how many people in the crowd present had seen a Mt.Lion.... and 16-18 people raised their hand Yes that they had see a Mt.Lion and then he stated their was 25 people that he knew of that had reported to him or his neighbor about Mt. Lion sightings..now this is just eyewitness not confirmed...so if this many people in the county has seen a Mt.Lion surely somebody is going to fill threatened and shoot one sooner or later ...Don't you think MU and HFFF????...and then their would be confirmed evidence that yes, they are here.
     
  16. huntforfunnfood

    huntforfunnfood New Member

    Jun 30, 2003
    new bloomfield mo
    mossy knowing how cattle farmers think i beleive that the large majoriy will and would shoot one any time they see it.

    you know were i grew up and they have had several confirmed there by mdc and several of our neighbors have been this past winter losing cattle and goats to what the belive to be a cat and they decided long before they had an agent tell them to shoot it that they were going to.

    of course if some one up there shoots one i would guess that mdc might just say that everyone was seeing the same one:bangin:
     
  17. MUHunter

    MUHunter New Member

    777
    Aug 13, 2003
    NE MO
    you would think so Mossyoak.......but just as we discussed last night, its not like you always have that gun or camera ready for that probably one fleeting second. Heck, we know their are bobcat's in our county, there is a season and all, but how many people will ever get to kill one of those. I just saw my first one ever this year and no way could have killed it, and people have been seeing them around here for 5+ years or better.

    I guess I would just say, that I DON'T believe that all those people have seen one, but I do believe that some of them have, and just b/c someone doesn't shoot one in the next year doesn't mean to me that they aren't or weren't out there.
     
  18. huntforfunnfood

    huntforfunnfood New Member

    Jun 30, 2003
    new bloomfield mo
    wonder if we could make it legal to have a loaded rifle hanging out the truck window........but only for the purpose of possibaly feeling threatened and for defending against couger attacks:D
     
  19. Mossyoak

    Mossyoak New Member

    396
    Nov 12, 2003
    North
    I agree with both of you.... good points stated by each of you....Well, I will see you tomorrow night MU...

    Maybe you could lobby against have a loaded rifle out the window of a truck later!!!!:D
     
  20. scarry ssubject i hunt in some rather thick woods in howard county that would appear to be:a prime area for a cougar to be slinking around.... but reading this post just makes me have nightmares of a bowhunt when one is staring me down getting ready to circle me after it gets dark :bangin::bangin: