[Dafish]

the Kansas Wildlife and Parks last week voted to outlaw game cameras on state managed land.
This includes the WIHA (Walk In Hunting Access) private land.

I listened to the meeting. One guy said he counted over 40 cameras while walking to his stand last year
A landowner said guys were walking onto his property year round to check on their cameras. He said he leased it to the state for hunting during hunting season and thought at first they may have been guys making drugs.
Then it got in to "what is considered fair chase" debate

the vote was unanamious to ban them. This had been in discussion sine at least last summer
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Turkey guy said they extended predator season and the fur harversters were only paying 2 buck a ****.
At that price he said they were getting calls of wanton waste, due to people throwing the predators in the ditches.
In a round about way, in not this many words, said they need to educate the trappers/hunters as to not leaving them in sight of a road .

 

[beanpile]

altho I dont think the argument of Game Cams equals non fair chase holds much water I myself have no problem outlawing game cams on Public Land

 

[callaojoe]

How are people gonna claim deer, if they don't get game cam pics of them???

 

[Dafish]

altho I dont think the argument of Game Cams equals non fair chase holds much water I myself have no problem outlawing game cams on Public Land

I think they were talking more in the lines of cell cameras, and a couple cell cameras scenarios were brought up. what gets me is the head guy is older then the Kansas Hills and only knows of what he has been told. Same with a couple other commisheners , they had to ask a guy speaking For the cameras, on how they worked and if they had a number on them they could register with the state.....

I hunt turkeys in Kansas on public land and since I am not there, first day I get there I put out 3 cameras and check them the next day to see if any turkeys were in those fields. Not sure why I do that as I always hunt the same spots and put my blinds in the same spots every year.
When deer hunitng there,(on private land) I do not put cameras up , unless I am not seeing anything to see if they are going through at night. Or to see what I missed at one stand while I was sitting in another stand...

 

[swampchicken]

Good for them!!!! As far as fair chase with cameras I won't go down that road.

 

[Beerman]

It would be annoying to have people on your land running around checking cameras. And gives the thieves a built in excuse to be wandering around private (the walk in private ground) ground.

 

[tri-lakes bowhunter]

I hunted on wihas 2 years ago and could not believe the number of cell cams on every piece I looked at.I got to where if I found a spot I thought was a good looking spot I would immediately find the cameras and they were there.I found a scrape out there that had 3 cell cams on it and 20 yards away another guy made a mock scrape and hung his camera on it.In my opinion on what I saw lots of folks were reserving trees with cameras,kind of out of hand in my eyes....

 

[antlercrazed]

Although I can see how excessive cameras can get out of hand I think outlawing something like a camera and using fair chase in the argument is some liberal type of BS. I think as more years pass the more liberal ideas infiltrate hunting and before long everything will be banned. If a .300winmag is fair chase which it is then a camera is too.We need to stop worrying about how other dummies hunt and control what we can control and that’s ourselves before we allow all our hunting rights to be taken slowly over time

 

[tri-lakes bowhunter]

The problem out there is people being on WIHA land out of the timeframe they are allowed to be on the land.This in turn will make those landowners decrease their participation in the program,which hurts everyone that wanted to hunt out there.I think Kansas recognized that and is trying to help everyone.They didn't ban them statewide so to me it's not a fair chase issue.

 

[antlercrazed]

The problem out there is people being on WIHA land out of the timeframe they are allowed to be on the land.This in turn will make those landowners decrease their participation in the program,which hurts everyone that wanted to hunt out there.I think Kansas recognized that and is trying to help everyone.They didn't ban them statewide so to me it's not a fair chase issue.

It was stated that was part of their argument for banning them. That shouldn’t be even discussed it should have purely been about limiting access outside of hunting season for people on those lands. When you start that fair chase debate and start saying that over an over it will snowball from there. I just hate when people start using fair chase as a debate for anything outside of a fence.

 

[20']

I think B & C is having some issues with cameras not being fair chase as well! Let's face it cell cams are a big deal for sure and if used to extremes can 100% take any fair chase right out of the equation. Heck, normal deer cameras can do that as well.

 

[antlercrazed]

I think B & C is having some issues with cameras not being fair chase as well! Let's face it cell cams are a big deal for sure and if used to extremes can 100% take any fair chase right out of the equation. Heck, normal deer cameras can do that as well.

If you can hunt with a .300winmag a camera is not doing anything to hurt fair chase. Unless the camera is catching the deer and holding him there until you can arrive an kill him then it is fair chase. Trying to go down that rabbit hole will be the death of deer hunting. B&C is stupid too if they are getting into that rabbit hole. Leave hunters alone that are following the laws

 

[Dafish]

On archery talk, this last season a lot of guys where talking about how over run the wiha property was, numerous vehicles in every spot and cameras every where.
just like everything else, when the TV hunters promote things it gets out of hand
Chris Bee shot a 183 or 186 inch buck 2 years ago on WIHA land, and put it on his podcast u-tube instagram sites
Last year he went to the same spot and saw lots of vehicles and saw no deer. Him and his wife hit numerous wiha spots and just seen other hunters...

there is less wiha land now then thier use to be (at leaast in central and NW) as outfitters pay more then the state to lease the land

Oklahoma is bowing down to the tv hunters now, making a special deer season so guys can shoot velvet bucks

 

[20']

On archery talk, this last season a lot of guys where talking about how over run the wiha property was, numerous vehicles in every spot and cameras every where.
just like everything else, when the TV hunters promote things it gets out of hand
Chris Bee shot a 183 or 186 inch buck 2 years ago on WIHA land, and put it on his podcast u-tube instagram sites
Last year he went to the same spot and saw lots of vehicles and saw no deer. Him and his wife hit numerous wiha spots and just seen other hunters...

there is less wiha land now then thier use to be (at leaast in central and NW) as outfitters pay more then the state to lease the land

Oklahoma is bowing down to the tv hunters now, making a special deer season so guys can shoot velvet bucks

KS is trying to help the hunters, but they can't see that..take antlercrazed for example

 

[Dafish]

KS is trying to help the hunters, but they can't see that..take antlercrazed for example

in the meeting, it was brought up about the TV hunter who was hunting in another state got cell pictures of a big buck on a scrape in Kansas, that could not be seen from the tree stand but another cell camera then caught the deer walking by the stand 2 or 3 days in a row, He(tv hunter) called his buddy, the next morning his buddy got up in the tree, TV hunter texted the guy in the stand that the buck was at the scrape, guy stood up and got ready for the shot, deer walked by and he shot it.
I think it was on the outdoor channel then shown on bowsite and at

edit, the show is The Wild Outdoors

 

[swampchicken]

Buddy left Missouri rifle opener Saturday night to go shoot a big ks deer that was on cell camera in ks. Killed the ks buck Sunday with bow. Some of the guys using cell cams i know are running 50-100 of them to surround spots then go hunt when that buck goes into the area. Fair chance has to be questioned when tactics like this are implemented in my opinion.

 

[antlercrazed]

YouTube hunters have ruined public land hunting in numerous states. The Hunting Public has single handedly ruined a lot of places and then they conveniently get to go hide behind the borders of Iowa once everything is ruined elsewhere

 

[20']

in the meeting, it was brought up about the TV hunter who was hunting in another state got cell pictures of a big buck on a scrape in Kansas, that could not be seen from the tree stand but another cell camera then caught the deer walking by the stand 2 or 3 days in a row, He(tv hunter) called his buddy, the next morning his buddy got up in the tree, TV hunter texted the guy in the stand that the buck was at the scrape, guy stood up and got ready for the shot, deer walked by and he shot it.
I think it was on the outdoor channel then shown on bowsite and at

100% they are an advantage, I only use them for inventory and don't care to have tons around monitoring movement.

 

[PoisonSnake]

I don't know how it is Jay Gregory and The Wild Outdoors bunch (his family for the most part) even survive in the industry. In fact, for groups other than the Kiskys, Drurys, and Lakoskys...., I don't see how any of them make it if they are doing it full time. It appears to me some of them are. But, you guys are right, a lot of these groups aren't helping matters any at all. For the most part, the only positive thing that I can see coming from the Outdoor Channel is food plotting and the like in order to help the herd. Of course, most of those guys could care a less as they are doing it to get a kill on camera. But, they are helping to some degree.

 

[20']

This year we did get a picture of the buck Jackson shot coming past the camera at 535 and the afternoon we set-up and he shot him around 538-540? It definitely helped us, otherwise we would have just seen him two nights in a row when we swapped cards.