Kansas May Be On The Way To Concealed Carry...

Discussion in 'MWT Community Bulletin Board' started by JackJr, Feb 10, 2006.

  1. JackJr

    JackJr New Member

    Nov 30, 2002
    Land Of BLAHS
    The Senate passed the bill today.


    CARL MANNING-Associated Press

    TOPEKA, Kan. - Law-abiding Kansans could carry concealed guns under a bill that passed the Senate by enough votes Thursday to override a veto by Gov. Kathleen Sebelius, who spiked a similar measure two years ago.
    The 29-11 vote - two more than needed to override the Democratic governor - includes six senators from her party. The question is how many will go against her should she veto the measure.
    The bill now goes to the House, where Speaker Doug Mays predicted passage. He said overriding a veto is "always difficult" because "the votes tend to evaporate."
    Senate Majority Leader Derek Schmidt, R-Independence, said, "If there is a veto, they will be under tremendous pressure to support the governor. I would be surprised if anybody who voted no on the bill will vote to override."
    But sponsoring Sen. Phil Journey sees it differently.
    "It's either go against the governor or go against their district," said Journey, R-Haysville.
    One Democrat, Sen. Jim Barone of Frontenac, said he would go against the governor.
    "I have on this issue before and I will again," he said.
    Sebelius rejected a nearly identical bill in 2004, saying she didn't believe the measure would make residents safer. Spokeswoman Nicole Corcoran said the governor wants to see the bill before deciding, but noted vetoed bills returning in much the same form can expect the same fate.
    Senate Minority Leader Anthony Hensley, D-Topeka, left little doubt about what the governor will do.
    "Are we going through an exercise in futility? The real question is whether there are 27 and 84 votes to override a veto because that's a certainty," he said, referring to the two-thirds majority needed by both chambers to void a veto.
    Journey, R-Haysville, said that by joining 46 other states that allow concealed guns, Kansans will be safer. He said more than 2 million Americans have concealed-gun permits and predicted about 48,000 permits would be issued in Kansas in the first four years.
    "The reality is this isn't a vote about the governor or the elections. It's a vote about freedom," Journey said. "It's about the freedom of Kansans to protect themselves and their families."
    Not everyone agreed.
    Sen. Roger Reitz, R-Manhattan, said the bill would result in accidental injuries and deaths.
    "I reject his arguments out of hand," Reitz said. "Handguns are for killing people."
    The bill lists 17 areas where a concealed gun can't be carried, including law enforcement offices, courthouses, state or local government buildings and schools. Efforts to add churches, veterans hospitals and libraries to that list failed.
    Journey said the bill allows such places to post a sign banning firearms from their premises. Violators would face a maximum penalty of six months in jail and a $1,000 fine.
    "Who are we to tell churches what they can or can't do?" Barone said. "It would take away the right of a church's self-determination on this issue."
    Under the proposal, Kansans who are 21 or older and U.S. citizens could obtain a four-year permit by filling out an application with the local sheriff and paying a fee of up to $150.
    The attorney general's office would issue the permits after conducting background checks to eliminate those with a felony record, a history of mental illness, drug or alcohol addiction, or a physical infirmity that would prevent the safe handling of a weapon.
    Once past that hurdle, the person would be required to complete an eight-hour safety and training course by a firearms instructor certified by the attorney general or the National Rifle Association.
    The bill would make Kansas among the 36 "shall issue" states, meaning if a person clears the hurdles, the state must issue the permit. Eight other states have "may issue" laws, giving officials latitude. Two states - Alaska and Vermont - have no prohibitions for carrying a concealed weapon.

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    Gun bill is SB418.


    Also looks to be enough votes to override Kathleen if she chooses to veto. Being her election year she may forgo that little bit of trouble. The Kansas law will not resemble Missouri's much at all. Out of state permits will not work unless you are a resident of the state you hold a license for. Also makes no mention of drivers over 21 being able to carry with out a permit. Have to have a certified CCW or PP and then about $150 for the state permit. I am in the process now Of trying to attend a CCW glass. These PO me as a military vet I don't understand why I must attend. But yes of course revenue for the state instructors and few kickbacks to the pollys..:mad:

    Jack
     
  2. Nicholas

    Nicholas New Member

    Oct 5, 2005
    Saint Charles, MO
    Jack,
    Are you trying to get a MO Permit, and that is why you do not qualify as a Vet? And if so, why MO? Also, why would you get MO over another state that gets you more states to carry in, as well as more time prior to renewal, and you also qualify as a vet?
     

  3. xxx

    xxx Guest

    :wink4::wink4: Good luck Jack...
     
  4. callaojoe

    callaojoe Máistir an pointe hocht.

    Jan 21, 2004
    N/C Missouri
    People in Kansas shouldn't be allowed to have guns....

    I still don't trust em....:rotfl::rotfl:

    I've seen the Outlaw Josey Wales once too often I guess.... Redlegs.....:sniper:

    :smiley:

    Actually, it's good news for all of us!:cheers:
     
  5. JackJr

    JackJr New Member

    Nov 30, 2002
    Land Of BLAHS
    Nicholas, I unfortunately live in Kansas. In order to carry (according to the new law) you must have a Kansas permit if you live in Kansas. A Missorui permit would do me no good as I am a resident Kansas. Kansas will honor other permits as long as you are a resident of that other state. Kansas is not waiving a Personal Protection or CCW class regardless of military service. This is Kansas being Kansas as usual.:mad2:


    Jack
     
  6. sand_manms

    sand_manms New Member

    Dec 13, 2005
    South Mississippi
    Mississippi has a shall issue law. It is a $200, non-refundable fee to apply, even if you fail the background check. Then it is about $40 for the license itself. It lasts for 4 years so $10 a year is not bad it's that $200 that hurts!
     
  7. JackJr

    JackJr New Member

    Nov 30, 2002
    Land Of BLAHS
    Kansas will have a $150 license fee for that is good for 4 years plus the cost of the CCW class which will run around a hundred bucks. My qualification with M14, M16 and .45 in the service cound for nothing.:mad: Makes you feel like a baby taking his first steps to get this permit. But hey it's only time and money.:banghead:

    Jack
     
  8. Nicholas

    Nicholas New Member

    Oct 5, 2005
    Saint Charles, MO
    From one vet to another sir if you have a place to shoot then the next time I am in the area then I will give you the course! I have offered the course free to MWT members for donations to the site, we just have a challenge with location. I can do Busch for individuals but that is a schedule challenge. I have in laws in Lees Summit, MO, is that close to you sir?
    :wave:
     
  9. JackJr

    JackJr New Member

    Nov 30, 2002
    Land Of BLAHS
    Lee's Sumiit is close to me, yes... I guess what galls me most is paying $150 for a license and another $100 for a CCW Class for a right that is already guaranteed to me by the Constitution.:mad:

    As it stands now the Attorney Genaral of Kansas will set the course lenghth and structure. Noone knows for sure what thi swill be yet.:roll2:

    Jack
     
  10. Nicholas

    Nicholas New Member

    Oct 5, 2005
    Saint Charles, MO
    How can the AG set a course length and structure and at the same time say an NRA Instructor can certify you?
     
  11. JackJr

    JackJr New Member

    Nov 30, 2002
    Land Of BLAHS
    Nicholas, he hasn't siad anything so far about CCW course instruction. I'm just assuming and NRA course will qualify. But you know about that word ASS U ME:bangin:

    Jack.
     
  12. FiremanBrad

    FiremanBrad New Member

    Nicholas...I wonder if Boogan has a range...he is centrally located in the state for a MWT's class....what kind of donation are you thinking? I would be interested in a class, if my schedule permits....Thanks!!!
     
  13. Nicholas

    Nicholas New Member

    Oct 5, 2005
    Saint Charles, MO
    Donation is at the discretion of the MWT Member! Reason; I am new here and value the information I receive from you folks. I was interested in an outdoor range on private property that way after the NRA Class, we could do an actual CQB class, get down and dirty if you are physically able, and if not then we will adapt and overcome! Check packing.org for Floriday information and you will see why I advocate theirs! Let me know!
    :wave:
     
  14. FiremanBrad

    FiremanBrad New Member

    I'd like to get in on a class like this, would be fun.....Hopefully there will be others to show interest!
     
  15. JackJr

    JackJr New Member

    Nov 30, 2002
    Land Of BLAHS
    I'd like to get in on the class but depends on where it is held. POs me greatly that I have to have a class period.

    Jack
     
  16. Nicholas

    Nicholas New Member

    Oct 5, 2005
    Saint Charles, MO
    I know what you are talking about when you mention the class period. All honorably discharged vets need only send copy of your DD-214 with your paperwork and presto, your certified without any further training. Amazing isn't it, 30 years ago you took a couple of hours of firearm training and went to work as a paper pusher and now your certified to carry in over 25 states!
    :wave:
     
  17. rat

    rat Legbone

    Dec 13, 2005
    I'm interested too.. lets figure something out.
     
  18. shooter22

    shooter22 New Member

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    Jan 16, 2003
    Fort Scott, KS
    interested also. I am in MO now, but might be invading Kansas soon anD hope they get their act together before I get there. I would definately be interested in the class. There is a Rock Quarry in Stockton State park that everyone shoots at. The COrp of Engineers hold our Handicapped shoot(sighting ) in there. I know the guys very well. Unfortunately Stockton is not in the middle of the state:( Now would be the time to make RIcks sighting in range:)
     
  19. Nicholas

    Nicholas New Member

    Oct 5, 2005
    Saint Charles, MO
    I see nothing on their web site that indicates that they may even entertain the thought of letting us use their facility. The NRA portion is not the problem, that is simple straight and shoot at approx. 7 yards, it is the reality training that needs a little more movement area. You would be shooting from the hip, prone, sitting, holster and various other positions. Boog, you out there? Any thoughts?