Ishi point reproductions

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radioactive

Discussion Starter · Sep 9, 2019

These were knapped by a friend of mine in California who has studied Ishi and how he fashioned his incredible points.
The fist is a jet Black Obsidian point from material he dug at Glass Buttes Oregon just North of where Ishi's Tribe was located in Northern California. Check out the micro chipping on the edges on this one!
The clear one is Agate from Montana and if you look closely you can see the Iris effect causing color shifts and a slight rainbow effect. He was taking a pic of this one before he gave it to me and dropped it breaking off the very tip. We both almost cried! This one I will treasure until I die.

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flatlander_

· #2 · Sep 9, 2019

Beautiful stuff!

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Bootheel Boy

· #3 · Sep 9, 2019

That obsidian point would scare me just to hold. Both are very beautiful points. Obsidian was used at one time in the medical field due to its sharpness.

BackyardBandit

· #4 · Sep 9, 2019

It's like a graham cave on steriods

radioactive

Discussion Starter · #5 · Sep 9, 2019

Bootheel Boy said:
That obsidian point would scare me just to hold. Both are very beautiful points. Obsidian was used at one time in the medical field due to its sharpness.

It is sharp!!! Believe it or not, his skills have improved even more after these were made. He now gets them much thinner than these two. He had only been knapping a couple of years when he made these. He is on youtube under flintknapperjimmy if you want to watch

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Mailman

· #6 · Sep 9, 2019

Cool as cool gets Arlen. Gonna have to get me some of those "rocks" and try making my own again. Maybe my brother in law that lives outside of Portland Oregon can bring me back a load the next time he comes for a visit?

radioactive

Discussion Starter · #7 · Sep 9, 2019

Mailman said:
Cool as cool gets Arlen. Gonna have to get me some of those "rocks" and try making my own again. Maybe my brother in law that lives outside of Portland Oregon can bring me back a load the next time he comes for a visit?

Dont think I have any Obsidian around, but I have a few slabs of Agate and some of slag glass if you want to practice. Lots of knappers use 1/4 inch thick sawn slabs to make points from as it saves a ton of chipping away at a complete chunk.

Mailman

· #8 · Sep 9, 2019

radioactive said:
Dont think I have any Obsidian around, but I have a few slabs of Agate and some of slag glass if you want to practice. Lots of knappers use 1/4 inch thick sawn slabs to make points from as it saves a ton of chipping away at a complete chunk.

Next time I'm down your way I'll have to check it out.

BustinBucks

· #9 · Sep 9, 2019

Would you recommend these for hunting?

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radioactive

Discussion Starter · #10 · Sep 9, 2019

BustinBucks said:
Would you recommend these for hunting?

Not these as i dont think the cut would be wide enough. The one I sent MM is a good bit wider and would make a scary wound. Early Rage prototypes ya know

BustinBucks

· #11 · Sep 9, 2019

radioactive said:
Not these as i dont think the cut would be wide enough. The one I sent MM is a good bit wider and would make a scary wound. Early Rage prototypes ya know

Thanks for the advice.

Mailman

· #12 · Sep 10, 2019

A lot of people think flint tips need to be wide to cut more vital organs as it enters the body. Cutting width is not what the Indians were looking for. They were more into penetration than a wider arrowhead. Friction is an enemy to most arrowheads be it steel or stone. A narrow blade on a stone point is my personal choice just because of the drag on a wide blade choice. A narrow blade has a better chance of threading between the ribs of a deer sized animal and even pass throughs.

I found this article on Primitive Pathways for your reading pleasure.

https://primitivepathways.com/index.php?route=product/category&path=69_75_65_66

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radioactive

Discussion Starter · #13 · Sep 10, 2019

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Mailman said:
A lot of people think flint tips need to be wide to cut more vital organs as it enters the body. Cutting width is not what the Indians were looking for. They were more into penetration than a wider arrowhead. Friction is an enemy to most arrowheads be it steel or stone. A narrow blade on a stone point is my personal choice just because of the drag on a wide blade choice. A narrow blade has a better chance of threading between the ribs of a deer sized animal and even pass throughs.

I found this article on Primitive Pathways for your reading pleasure.

https://primitivepathways.com/index.php?route=product/category&path=69_75_65_66

Makes sense, thanks. Obsidian is pretty brittle, so a long, slender point like I posted above would break off easily on bone. It *might slip between ribs, but a shoulder hit would most certainly break it.
One has to wonder what the success rate was on deer by the Native Americans.

Mailman

· #14 · Sep 10, 2019

radioactive said:
It *might slip between ribs, but a shoulder hit would most certainly break it.
One has to wonder what the success rate was on deer by the Native Americans.

When I find a broken flint tip I picture it being broken from hitting a rib or shoulder and not from breaking from a missed shot and breaking on impact with a rock. Just something I dream up in my feeble mind.

CRE10

· #15 · Dec 7, 2019

radioactive said:
Not these as i dont think the cut would be wide enough. The one I sent MM is a good bit wider and would make a scary wound. Early Rage prototypes ya know

Can you buy these on Ebay?

wiser1

· #16 · Dec 7, 2019

Has anyone killed a deer in missouri with a rock tip blade ?

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