How many shells does it take to shoot 209 Doves?

Discussion in 'Game Birds' started by Dafish, Sep 7, 2017.

  1. Dafish

    Dafish Senior Member

    Nov 24, 2010
    St. Peters
    here ya go

    Four men who were stopped in rural Ellis County last week with 209 doves in their possession have outraged hunters and outdoor enthusiasts across the state.
    The men were stopped Tuesday, the second day of dove season. The daily limit is 15 doves per hunter.
    “I hope they throw the book at them and take them to federal court and give them jail time,” said Spencer Tomb, a retired Kansas State University botany professor in Riley County and an avid hunter.
    “We have game laws so everybody gets a fair chance at hunting. And they did that in one day?”
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    Kansas Department of Wildlife, Parks and Tourism officials are in the process of deciding what type of charges the four will face, whether it will be on a federal or state level, said Dan Melson, law enforcement supervisor for the western region of Wildlife and Parks. The four have yet to be charged, he said.

    Melson would not give the ages of the men, or say whether they were Kansas residents.

    If wildlife officials decide to pursue a federal case, the process could take a year or more, Melson said.

    The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service is currently processing a similar case from last year from Ellis and Graham County.

    Doves are a migratory bird. If the men are found guilty of violating the federal Migratory Bird Treaty Act of 1918, the four could face stiff fines and possible jail time. In addition, poachers can face revocation of any hunting, fishing or trapping licenses.

    For now, the 209 doves are being preserved as evidence, Melson said.

    Most hunters despise poachers, said Mike Hayden, former governor of Kansas and former director of the Kansas Department of Wildlife and Parks. He is now director of the Missouri River Association of States and Tribes.

    “Certainly hunting ethics is something very important,” Hayden said. “When things like this happen, it casts a shadow. It is unethical and jeopardizes the future of hunting.”

    One of the problems in rural areas is that game wardens often have to cover four and five counties each, an equivalent of 4,000 to 5,000 square miles, Hayden said.

    “It does sometimes cause people to have a lax attitude toward game laws and to let them think they can get away with anything,” Hayden said. “This shows they can’t always.”

    But residents can help. If they are aware of poaching or see it happening, they are encouraged to call the KDWP’s Operation Game Thief at 877-426-3843.

    As game birds go, doves are relatively small. Fifteen doves per day per hunter is typically enough meat to feed two people, Tomb said.

    “What a waste this is,” Hayden said. “The season limits are very generous and why you need to break the law goes against everything I was ever taught.

    “My thought is that if somebody has shot this many birds, they have probably violated other laws. There may be a series of violations other than just being over the bag limit.”
  2. Bootheel Boy

    Bootheel Boy Well-Known Member

    Sep 4, 2012
    It would take me more shots than my shoulder could take. Even in a weeks time. Lol
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  3. Reflex

    Reflex Well-Known Member

    Oct 11, 2007
    Sullivan, MO
  4. Dafish

    Dafish Senior Member

    Nov 24, 2010
    St. Peters
    No warm up shots?
  5. Its only 89 over,they should have ate lunch.
  6. Reflex

    Reflex Well-Known Member

    Oct 11, 2007
    Sullivan, MO
    149 over.
  7. bajabill

    bajabill BDR529

    Feb 16, 2012
    East Central MO
    2nd day of the season
  8. Reflex

    Reflex Well-Known Member

    Oct 11, 2007
    Sullivan, MO
    Article makes it sound like 209 in one day.
  9. Hooks

    Hooks Well-Known Member

    Aug 20, 2010
    Down the bayou
    Hating on the guys who can actually shoot...Pretty typical. :)
  10. callaojoe

    callaojoe Máistir an pointe hocht.

    Jan 21, 2004
    N/C Missouri
    I am not even much of a dove hunter, but this sort of crap chaps me arse. :wave1:

    gamehogs suxes.
  11. BackyardBandit

    BackyardBandit Don't mind me

    Jan 12, 2012
    West St. Louis Co.
    Man, what an awesome day of shooting!
  12. WBF

    WBF Wolf Brook Farms

    Oct 25, 2013
    Why do the birds have to go to waste? I Understand the chain of evidence argument . But the part that gets me is the dove meat gets wasted. And wasted by "choice" !???
  13. Dafish

    Dafish Senior Member

    Nov 24, 2010
    St. Peters

    For now, the 209 doves are being preserved as evidence, Melson said.
  14. henry

    henry Fan Boy aka Mr Twisty and

    Maybe the doves were already dressed. Part of their fine should be buying enough bacon to wrap them in.
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  15. Mule

    Mule Well-Known Member

    Sep 27, 2003
    Franklin County, MO
    Must have thought they were in Argentina.
  16. beanpile

    beanpile just a no body

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  17. wingman

    wingman Well-Known Member

    May 30, 2012
    People routinely kill 1000/day per shooter in Argentina and many do that before lunch. I'm not defending these guys but after opening week most folks don't hunt doves because they are concentrating on teal or getting ready to bowhunt. I wouldn't have a problem if they shortened the season to only the month of Sept. and doubled the daily and possession limits.
  18. WBF

    WBF Wolf Brook Farms

    Oct 25, 2013
    I read it..... just don't know if I agree with it is all..... deer taken illegally normally will be donated to a food pantry. Or the agent drops it off to individuals that will take the meat. I'm sure those doves would have made a nice meal instead of wasting away in an evidence locker.