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What the story, are we going to beat last year? is the famed all day hunting going to be implemented next year? AT a time when things are in the crapper in the turkey woods?? opps, forgot we are within the famed "Golden Mean",hahahaha

 

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I'll kill the same number I kill every year if/when we get all day hunting, I'll just not have to take off work to do it during the week.

I wouldn't hate it either way, just think the time to liberlize isn't when there are major issues they have zero answers for, but hey it's compensatory, right

 

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I would love to see a first week archery only starting around the first week in April followed by 2 weeks of shotgun all day hunting.....just my 2 cents

I get what your saying, but nothing is stopping us from archery hunting in the current set-up. While I am for season placement moving for firearms deer, I have never suggest reducing the days afield for anyone.

 

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We will likely kill about 30-32000 adults this year. That is more adults than EVERY YEAR PRIOR TO 1998, and those are the years you want to get back to, the 80s and 90s.

You aint all that bright... View attachment 132987

I want to get back to the 45,000, heck why not 55,000 with the way the tags are these days relative to back then! let's trap some predators on a larger scale! If it works on 160 acres (like Hawks guys said "handful of additional nest" more or less), imagine if coop's got started!

 

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FEWER PREDATORS, MORE DEER AND TURKEYS
To have more wildlife on your property, especially deer and turkeys, you must manage predators. Mossy Oak GameKeepers ProStaffer Michael C. Johnson of Plainfield, Georgia, started trapping and harvesting predators about nine years ago. Johnson has been a Mossy Oak ProStaffer for three years.
Michael Johnson | Mossy Oak ProStaff

almost seems to easy to comprehend!

 

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Most people don't think about raccoons and possums as being detrimental to wildlife. They generally consider bobcats, coyotes and foxes as being problems. But when you want to increase turkey populations, the raccoons and possums are much more damaging to turkeys. They'll destroy wild turkey eggs and nests and often kill hens sitting on their nests. If a **** or a possum finds a hen turkey that is holding tight on the nest no matter what, and they kill and eat her as well as her eggs, that predator has reduced the number of available turkey hens as well as the number of poults that would have been born that year. Planting food plots, doing prescribed burns and manipulating the habitat for turkeys are all good practices to increase turkey populations. However, if you overlook predator control, you're leaving out a very important and critical element of turkey management.

We realize we'll never wipe out all the *****, possums and coyotes on the lands we and our friends hunt, but by reducing the number of predators in a single year, we can see more turkeys and deer be born and survive than if we don't practice predator control. To have more turkeys, you need to establish a well-planned predator control program on your hunting lands.

again, it's too simple for some to understand!

 

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I bet you wish your wife was 21 again, but it aint gonna happen... :rofl::rofl::rofl:

ACTUALLY, I HAVE NO DESIRE OR GRAND ILLUSIONS FOR MY WIFE TO REMAIN 21 OR BE 21 AGAIN..... HOWEVER, I AM GREATFUL FOR THE TIME TO HAVE KNOWN HER WHEN SHE WAS YOUNGER AND WOULD HOPE THAT OTHERS DON'T HAVE TO MEET THEIR WIVES WHEN THEY ARE 40 AND MISS OUT ON ALL THE YEARS OF FUN PRIOR THAT THEY COULD/WOULD HAVE HAD.....ps YOUR ANALOGIES ARE ALWAY PRETTY SILLY!

 

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Thats an opinion, and you are welcome to it.

The thing is, very few people care as long as they kill a bird... AND, as MDC told you, THERE IS NOTHING THEY CAN DO TO MAKE YOU HEAR MORE GOBBLES OTHER THAN RESTORING HABITAT. PERIOD.

You whine and snivel A LOT......

ONE OTHER LITTLE THING WOULD HELP.....REMOVING A TON OF THE PREDATORS! rEMEMEBR WHEN YOU GUY SAID hENRY'S EFFORTS WOULD RESULT IN AN ADDITIONAL handful OF CLUTCHES SURVING?????

 

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100 ***** or 10 ***** looking for maybe 15 nests on 320 acres in poor habitat will find them ALL in 30 days.

another silly statement you try and play off as fact.

 

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Even assuming the peak was too high, as I and others have said l many times before, there has got to be a middle ground. And the current number ain't it. Maybe it won't be like it was but it's gotta be better than it is. And, less predators and better weather and better habitat are all part of bringing the average up to what it should be.

How on Earth could any scientist suggest the turkey flock exceeding the carryinmg capacity (the number of people, other living organisms, or crops that a region can support without environmental degradation.)? Were the turkey numbers causing soil erosion from them walking and eating too many bugs?

 

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Even better, meet your wife in her mid 20s, do all the stuff you want then without kids and then have kids when its not a financial strain to provide for them....

Why do you expect your turkey population to always be a smokin hot 21 year old??

because it can be, but trapper efforts would need to be restored and yes the trapping regulations would need to be updated as well, basically allowing it year round would have a big effect!

 

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"but that WOULD NOT RESULT IN ANYTHING MEANINGFUL IN TERMS OF TURKEY ABUNDANCE"

AND

"You may hatch more nests but without the habitat predators will lower the number of surviving poults to the level that it would have been without predator control"

PERHAPS, but if the egg doesn't hatch, there is ZERO chance of poult survival!

 

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That probably for a scientist to figure out, not a party planner...:rofl::rofl::rofl:

much the same thing, thanks!

 

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You dont listen to anything a biologist says do you??

yes I do, each and everyone one state the issues are habitat and predator numbers.

 

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Theres zero chance either way without the habitat. And if you have the habitat the predator numbers dont matter

I forgot turkey lay eggs on fairways and the golfers all find them

 

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Turkeys are laying them in the equivalent of the fairway, and you are trying to make the amount of people playing the hole 10 instead of 50..... yeah, those 10 shouldnt find those golf balls....

Maybe a cartoon would be a better delivery method for you and henry???

please do draw that cartoon to illustrate how 10 preadtors find those eggs as well as those additional ones in the rough & woods as well as anywhere else more easily than 100 predators...your up

 

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Jere is what I think happen, and I really don't have graphs or biology phD to back it up.....tureys were re-established when the fur market was sound, therefore birds nesting success was high, did some get destroyed, absolutely, but it is a numbers game, predators numbers were low, and turkey numbers growing and growing (with low predators compared to the high predator number 20 years from now).....that went on for awhile (thankfully)!!!! Turkey were flourishing and then fur market bottomed, turkey numbers remained good while predator numbers were re-establishing if you will .......all the while turkey numbers slowly dwindling as more predators crushed nests and the impact was not felt immediately. then terms like "environmental resistance" were coined, but the true definition is more predators mean less clutches hatching year to year.....spend our tax money on all these studies and such and have cute phrases coined, but the situation is a direct result of a few simple things, these two things are mentioned by EVERY biologist when they start any turkey population discuss with falling population numbers.....wait for it.....habitat and high predator numbers.

 

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Environmental resistance was coined well before turkeys were reintroduced...:rofl::rofl::rofl:

easier than saying fur market dropped out and predators now control the turkey population dynamics....

 

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Or you could listen to an actual biologist.... View attachment 133197

so you want me to believe that the carrying capacity for turkey is less than 2/3 what it is for deer, very interesting! we are at the turkey carrying capacity when the predators numbers are basically not control in the LEAST BIT!

 

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I fully support the ongoing research. It is especially important when you know major changes are taking place in a population. They can't just continue setting regulations without knowing the ever changing Dynamics of the population. Knowing how poor production is may we'll keep them from prematurely implementing all day hunting.

I agree with doing the research as well, but they need not try to piss on our back and try to convince me it is raining......there is no way we are near the carrying capacity for turkey.