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Many of you know I've been handloading my turkey loads. I've went way overboard on call collecting and the whole thing. I'm a 20 gauge toting fool and outside of buying Nitros, there just was not a lot of great shells for the 20. Hevi-13 (when they decided they wanted to win all the competitions) built a great Hevi-13 #6 load. If you are lucky enough to find some of the Old shells, they shoot wonderfully. The newer shells were so inconsistent, you didn't know if you were going to get a great pattern at 40 yards or a terrible one. It didn't really make you feel warm and fuzzy to go out in the woods with them and shoot at a bird.

Well with todays technology and superior shot, you can start thinking outside the box that 6's are too large. I went to straight 9's with the tungsten shot I was shooting. Of course those 9's are equivalent to a lead #4.

Well last Spring Federal came out with their new Heavyweight shells. Using the right choke, these things are putting up some impressive patterns. I switched one of my guns over to this this fall and I was super impressed. I successfully harvest that bird beyond 40 yards with #7s. Federal loads Tungsten shot and the two birds I've shot with Tungsten have just been pile driven into the ground!

Well several of the handloaders have been working with Hevi-13 to convince them to speed up their shells and offer a straight #7 load. Well Hevi-13 listened and this spring, their offerings will be impressive! They are bumping the speed from 1090 to 1200 fps and they'll have the straight 7 load! Reports are they are knocking on the door of Nitros performance and probably at a fraction of the cost! They'll also be a lot less hot than the Nitros are.

I'm sure this will cause me to give up my handloading desire and just buy these shells. They will also offer a 5x6x7 for the 12 gauge. Another item several hunters have asked of them.

I'm sure this will cause me to give up my handloading desire and just buy these shells, it's nice to see them listen and go back to their roots. They have decided to start building their wads back in house to control the accuracy of their shells. There are not a lot of companies out there that would not care that much what a small percentage of their sales really think, but they listened to a lot of us and I know I'll be supporting them this Spring!
 

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I was wondering that myself. Sound impressive for sure.

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I went to straight 9's with the tungsten shot I was shooting. Of course those 9's are equivalent to a lead #4.
Really?[/rquote]

Yes due to the density of the shot. 18g/cc is what I have been shooting.

Nitros loads hevi-12 (12 g)
Hevi-13 is of course 13
and Federal Heavyweight is 15.

No one has started loading 18gram from the factory, so all the information on it so far is either through TSS or done by trial and error.

Penetration from the TSS is almost scary amazing. TSS started out as trying to fill a void for duckers, but I think it took off more for turkey hunting!
 

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Where do the high dollar winchester loads fall in that group??? I found them to be amazing out of my 12 guage last year.

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[rquote=1516824&tid=105738&author=Porter][rquote=1516482&tid=105738&author=Rebel]
I went to straight 9's with the tungsten shot I was shooting. Of course those 9's are equivalent to a lead #4.
Really?[/rquote]

Yes due to the density of the shot. 18g/cc is what I have been shooting.

Nitros loads hevi-12 (12 g)
Hevi-13 is of course 13
and Federal Heavyweight is 15.

No one has started loading 18gram from the factory, so all the information on it so far is either through TSS or done by trial and error.

Penetration from the TSS is almost scary amazing. TSS started out as trying to fill a void for duckers, but I think it took off more for turkey hunting!

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i find that hard to believe, the part they are equivalent to... #9's are insanely small compared to 4-5-6 etc

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I'd like to see TSS #9 weighed on precise and accurate scales along with plated lead #4 to see if that actually is true. I'm having trouble with that wide of a gap between the two. The problem with EnvironMetal is the inconsistency of their loads and wads. If they manage to tighten that up and stick with a proven load they may gain some trust back. That H-13 3-2-6 bronze shell shoots scary tight for me out of an Indian Creek BDS from my Benelli M1S90. It averages over 200 in the 10" @ 40 measured yards consistently. Now they'll probably screw around with that recipe and many of us will be back on the patterning boards trying to regain what we worked hard to get in the first place.
 

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[rquote=1517110&tid=105738&author=Rebel][rquote=1516824&tid=105738&author=Porter][rquote=1516482&tid=105738&author=Rebel]
I went to straight 9's with the tungsten shot I was shooting. Of course those 9's are equivalent to a lead #4.
Really?[/rquote]

Yes due to the density of the shot. 18g/cc is what I have been shooting.

Nitros loads hevi-12 (12 g)
Hevi-13 is of course 13
and Federal Heavyweight is 15.

No one has started loading 18gram from the factory, so all the information on it so far is either through TSS or done by trial and error.

Penetration from the TSS is almost scary amazing. TSS started out as trying to fill a void for duckers, but I think it took off more for turkey hunting!

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i find that hard to believe, the part they are equivalent to... #9's are insanely small compared to 4-5-6 etc

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Yeah it's not the size or weight that is equal, it's the density of the shot that makes the 9 comparable to the lead 4's. It all comes down to penetration tests.

I was talking to Parker last Spring when I started shooting these and I sent him a ton of information showing the penetration and we both said the one thing really scary about the new shot... is how far downrange they do still penetrate.

Henry the Winchester Xtended range is right there with the Hevi-12 in being a density of 12g/cc. Winchester last year did something new to their shells and they really came to life patterning. Plus the Xtended range is a true round shot like lead. I had several of the NWTF shooters tell me they could see Winchester knocking off Hevi-13 in the competitions.

MOGC, I do not think Hevi-13 is going to do much with those good ole bronze shells. They will be introducing a Magnum Blend and I think they will be upping the velocity (which should improve your pattern as all the hand loaders found out when they bumped it up close to 1200). Lots of shooters wanted the ole white loads back, but those were just handloaded factory shells. They were made for one thing... to win a competition. I wish I could find some of them :(

The big improvement will come to us 20 gauge shooters! Those shells were so darn inconsistent it wasn't funny. One shot I'd average 120 next shot I'd be in the 60's. People started taking them apart and realized it was more in the wads than anything else. EM has said they are building the wads in house again to control this issue.

I think Federal put a lot of pressure on all the Turkey loads last year. I was knocking on the magical 200 hits mark with my 20 gauge out of my 870 JR with the 18.5" barrel last year. That's what I shoot out of that gun now! I'll not be buying anymore Nitros for my 20s.

I'm hoping EM will bring some of these shells to the NWTF convention and I'll be sure and buy several boxes.
 

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[rquote=1517600&tid=105738&author=Porter]
I'm hoping EM will bring some of these shells to the NWTF convention and I'll be sure and buy several boxes, and them taking them up to Parker's to shoot![/rquote]

:eek: That sounds awesome! I'm looking forward to helping you pattern them out! :rof2: :stirpot:

Porter, I've got a shooting bend bought that you are really going to like for the range too. I just hope we can predict the wind correctly before you come up!

Parker

[Edited on 12-20-2009 by Parker]
 

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I guess I don't know much if anything about the new shot material but I would not hunt doves even with # 9 shot but then I guess I am not up to date on the modern stuff.
 

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:cheers: Its not modern stuff, it is just hard to get a hold of. The material, that is.

The density is all that matters. The penetration and energy transfer is just UNREAL. :eek:

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[rquote=1516846&tid=105738&author=henry] Where do the high dollar winchester loads fall in that group??? I found them to be amazing out of my 12 guage last year.

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I believe the Winchester Extended Range rounds have 12g/cc shot, but they are soft enough to be used with "lead-only" choke tubes. I like them too, but I wish they'd add another 1/4oz of shot to their 3" shells...and/or maybe offer them in #7's.

BTW, I'll be getting my grubby little hands on some of the new Hevi13 #7's as soon as they come out...
 
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