[Flatliner]

We hear all about what you want to do. But why do you want it done? What's in it for you personally if any of the changes you proposed came true?

Bottom line, tell me what your herd looks like and what hunters can expect when they hunt for whitetail in MO under YOUR rules.

 

[Jeremy]

refer to this thread if you wish

http://www.missouriwhitetails.com/forums/viewthread.php?tid=104334
i believe all we got is booners around every corner

 

[Bass Fishin]

Just post it in this thread, we already have the conversation in it.
- http://www.missouriwhitetails.com/forums/viewthread.php?tid=104334

=*=ViperSniper=*=

 

[Flatliner]

Read it

But I didn't really see where anyone said they would get anything. I was thinking some might think that it would be nice to have a split rifle season so they could have some prime time archery days. There's just management thoughts and opinions but what is the result? There is no answer to why anyone wants to move the rifle season out of the rut. That's what I want to know, we debate this stuff all the time but what is it you think's going to happen if changes are made, you know they will! I'm just trying to have fun but be realistic, I know I'm the noob here but I've hunted in MO for 20 years now and I think the # of good deer I've seen last year or two is getting better, it's still cheap, and I have all kinds of people who gladly take the meat. It's a good arangement for me, so I like to hear about what's really going on when people want something changed. Not happy? Not seeing good bucks? To much out of state huntin' the 460 next to you, moochin' of your attempt at quality deer management with your buddies? Those are the things I think about when people want change so I was just curious if you guy's thought about how some of this stuff would change things for 'ya personally.:cheers:

 

[Jeremy]

[rquote=1494373&tid=104342&author=Flatliner] I was thinking some might think that it would be nice to have a split rifle season so they could have some prime time archery days. [/rquote]

you can bowhunt during rifle season already.:shrug:

 

[hollercaller]

[rquote=1494373&tid=104342&author=Flatliner]But I didn't really see where anyone said they would get anything. I was thinking some might think that it would be nice to have a split rifle season so they could have some prime time archery days. There's just management thoughts and opinions but what is the result? There is no answer to why anyone wants to move the rifle season out of the rut. That's what I want to know, we debate this stuff all the time but what is it you think's going to happen if changes are made, you know they will! I'm just trying to have fun but be realistic, I know I'm the noob here but I've hunted in MO for 20 years now and I think the # of good deer I've seen last year or two is getting better, it's still cheap, and I have all kinds of people who gladly take the meat. It's a good arangement for me, so I like to hear about what's really going on when people want something changed. Not happy? Not seeing good bucks? To much out of state huntin' the 460 next to you, moochin' of your attempt at quality deer management with your buddies? Those are the things I think about when people want change so I was just curious if you guy's thought about how some of this stuff would change things for 'ya personally.:cheers:[/rquote]
I've asked the same question 12 times in 8 different threads, and still haven't recieved a direct answer. We all know what the real answer is anyway. A select few want to bowhunt the rut exclusively, and extra people in the woods cause deer to alter their patterns, making hunting harder.

 

[Flatliner]

[rquote=1494397&tid=104342&author=Jeremy][rquote=1494373&tid=104342&author=Flatliner] I was thinking some might think that it would be nice to have a split rifle season so they could have some prime time archery days. [/rquote]

you can bowhunt during rifle season already.:shrug:[/rquote]

I know, but the general idea was that there would be days between rifle seasons that could/would be bow only and you wouldn't need to wear orange!

 

[hun10]

For the last time. ANYONE CAN BOWHUNT DURING RIFLE SEASON! If I hear that we can't one more time, Im gonna thump some skulls.:mad2:

 

[Flatliner]

[rquote=1494429&tid=104342&author=hun10]For the last time. ANYONE CAN BOWHUNT DURING RIFLE SEASON! If I hear that we can't one more time, Im gonna thump some skulls.:mad2:[/rquote]

I've shot deer in rifle season with a bow so I KNOW! This is why I thump my own head!

 

[hun10]

No one loves bowhunting more than me, but come on....seriously. This is getting a little rediculous. Live and let die for crying out loud. Would everyone quit thinking of what they aint got and start thinking about what they do got? We live in one of the premier states for ANY kind of hunting. PERIOD! Many states wish they had our numbers, animals, and opportunities to hunt them. Stick to your own woods and everything will be fine. Quit trying to tell everyone what to do and how to hunt. Just enjoy hunting and shut-up.

 

[Rebel2]

[rquote=1494448&tid=104342&author=hun10]No one loves bowhunting more than me, but come on....seriously. This is getting a little rediculous. Live and let die for crying out loud. Would everyone quit thinking of what they aint got and start thinking about what they do got? We live in one of the premier states for ANY kind of hunting. PERIOD! Many states wish they had our numbers, animals, and opportunities to hunt them. Stick to your own woods and everything will be fine. Quit trying to tell everyone what to do and how to hunt. Just enjoy hunting and shut-up.[/rquote]

WERD!

 

[knockemdeadd]

[rquote=1494448&tid=104342&author=hun10]No one loves bowhunting more than me, but come on....seriously. This is getting a little rediculous. Live and let die for crying out loud. Would everyone quit thinking of what they aint got and start thinking about what they do got? We live in one of the premier states for ANY kind of hunting. PERIOD! Many states wish they had our numbers, animals, and opportunities to hunt them. Stick to your own woods and everything will be fine. Quit trying to tell everyone what to do and how to hunt. Just enjoy hunting and shut-up.[/rquote]

:claphands::claphands::claphands::claphands:

 

[Flatliner]

[rquote=1494448&tid=104342&author=hun10]No one loves bowhunting more than me, but come on....seriously. This is getting a little rediculous. Live and let die for crying out loud. Would everyone quit thinking of what they aint got and start thinking about what they do got? We live in one of the premier states for ANY kind of hunting. PERIOD! Many states wish they had our numbers, animals, and opportunities to hunt them. Stick to your own woods and everything will be fine. Quit trying to tell everyone what to do and how to hunt. Just enjoy hunting and shut-up.[/rquote]

Right on weird! I never told anyone ANYTING, look at it again! I'm asking why those who don't want to live-and-let-live change what happens to be a pretty good thing right now for me personally! If it gets any better the woods next to me are gonna be full so I do keep it shut up, trust me.

 

[hun10]

[rquote=1494467&tid=104342&author=Flatliner][rquote=1494448&tid=104342&author=hun10]No one loves bowhunting more than me, but come on....seriously. This is getting a little rediculous. Live and let die for crying out loud. Would everyone quit thinking of what they aint got and start thinking about what they do got? We live in one of the premier states for ANY kind of hunting. PERIOD! Many states wish they had our numbers, animals, and opportunities to hunt them. Stick to your own woods and everything will be fine. Quit trying to tell everyone what to do and how to hunt. Just enjoy hunting and shut-up.[/rquote]

Right on weird! I never told anyone ANYTING, look at it again! I'm asking why those who don't want to live-and-let-live change what happens to be a pretty good thing right now for me personally! If it gets any better the woods next to me are gonna be full so I do keep it shut up, trust me. [/rquote]

I wasn't directing that at you bro. Im talking about a certain group of "pro" hunters who think they got it all figured out and think that TV shows and what those idiot hosts tell them is actually what everyone else should be doing.

 

[67Firebird]

[rquote=1494448&tid=104342&author=hun10]No one loves bowhunting more than me, but come on....seriously. This is getting a little rediculous. Live and let die for crying out loud. Would everyone quit thinking of what they aint got and start thinking about what they do got? We live in one of the premier states for ANY kind of hunting. PERIOD! Many states wish they had our numbers, animals, and opportunities to hunt them. Stick to your own woods and everything will be fine. Quit trying to tell everyone what to do and how to hunt. Just enjoy hunting and shut-up.[/rquote]

I nominate this as post of the year. :cheers::2thumbsup:

 

[winger]

[rquote=1494473&tid=104342&author=hun10]

I wasn't directing that at you bro. Im talking about a certain group of "pro" hunters who think they got it all figured out and think that TV shows and what those idiot hosts tell them is actually what everyone else should be doing.[/rquote]

:bowing::bowing::bowing:
thank you

 

[Thayer]

My changes were mainly for testing the waters.

Pushing the rifle season back get 400k hunters out of the woods when the bucks are breeding. This lets the bucks and does get the rut over real quick and get back to being a deer. If we have a long extended rut the bucks get run down and a large number of deer will succumb to the riggers of winter. Some deer are not able to recover from the long rut and the tough winter and don't put on the muscles and bone structures that they can develop.

If you can get your deer back to being regular deer sooner, then most people would be happy with the results in the upcoming years. See the neighboring 3 states deer herd.

Having bowhunters in the woods during the rut is not going to mess up our rifle hunting. Look at the stats of what the bowhunters kill. Doesn't come close to what our herd managing rifle hunters accomplish.

I am done arguing simple issues.:wave:

 

[letemgrow]

Moving the gun season back MAY create a more structured herd with a good number of mature animals and a good number of immature animals. This would help create a tighter rut and fewer late born fawns the following spring, healtheir deer and happier hunters IMO.


If I get the chance to vote for my opinion again if they have the meetings another time...I will vote to move the season over the other options like I did the first time. If that means no one during the rut, that would be better than gun during the rut in my eyes.