[Heeler75]

Figured I'd start another thread on this one.

From what I saw it was an industry wide happening.

One reason I think this happened was because metal costs had gone sky high and the gun makers were having to pay for this and also forecast into their year long pricing?

I bought a Rem 700 in October of 2007. Same gun one year later was about $150 more. January 1 of 2009 I believe CZ increased costs about $100-$200 depending on the gun.

Maybe also supply/demand? Kinda with what happened on the ammo and reloading stuff?

:shrug:

 

[hun10]

Makes sense to me. Kinda stinks tho.

 

[Big L]

Look at the prices of 30-30s now

 

[hun10]

[rquote=1502985&tid=104875&author=Big L]Look at the prices of 30-30s now[/rquote]

I am assuming up? or is it WAAAY up?

 

[Big L]

Last I saw was at Denny Dennis who is already higher than most but around $400 for a Marlin

 

[hun10]

[rquote=1502991&tid=104875&author=Big L]Last I saw was at Denny Dennis who is already higher than most but around $400 for a Marlin[/rquote]

Wow.

 

[Poor Valley]

if ya think that is high just wait for Browning to announce the prices for their version of the resurected 94.

 

[Country]

30-30 have gotten crazy, rarely find them under $300 used anymore.

 

[glennasher1]

The price on CZs can be blamed, in part, on the value of the dollar. The exchange rate is favoring the euro more so than the US dollar right now, and prices have increased because of that.

The CZ 527 American, in .204, that I bought three or four years ago, for $400, is now about $579 at the same store I got mine from. (mine WAS on sale when I got it, I saved about $40 at that time).

I have the 'burnin' wants' for a 452 American in .22 Magnum, but not at the current rate of exchange. It'll have to wait awhile.:whinging:

 

[glennasher1]

[rquote=1502991&tid=104875&author=Big L]Last I saw was at Denny Dennis who is already higher than most but around $400 for a Marlin[/rquote]

Not a bad price at all, look at the current RETAIL price on Marlin .30/30s, I saw a stainless half-magazine/laminated stocked one the other day, for $579!! and it might have been $679, I quit looking when I saw the configuration.

 

[Heeler75]

[rquote=1503078&tid=104875&author=glennasher1]The price on CZs can be blamed, in part, on the value of the dollar. The exchange rate is favoring the euro more so than the US dollar right now, and prices have increased because of that.

The CZ 527 American, in .204, that I bought three or four years ago, for $400, is now about $579 at the same store I got mine from. (mine WAS on sale when I got it, I saved about $40 at that time).

I have the 'burnin' wants' for a 452 American in .22 Magnum, but not at the current rate of exchange. It'll have to wait awhile.:whinging:[/rquote]

You're right. Forgot about the value of the dollar. Buddy of mine bought a .204 527 when they first came out. He really likes his.

I'm figuring to get another CZ in a year or two. It will be a 6.5x55.

 

[igor]

The price of raw materials is playing a huge factor, I'm really surprised they are not higher
that they are right now.
To put this into perspective, steel around 4 years ago was .20 cents per pound.
Today, well who knows it flucuates around 2.00 per pound.Keep in mind that is
just low carbon steel, not 4140 which is most commonly used in firearms.

Also carbide prices went stupid high as well and thats what most consumable
tools are made of. Then factor in high electric rates, plus high gas rates "heat treating"
it amazes me they have kept them as low as they have.

Heck we can't even factor in the price of raw materials into a quote, because we don't know what it will be the day we order it.

This is going on worldwide, except China where the government owns everything and supplies
everything for FREEEE!

small example, ordered a 12 foot stick of 1/2 x 5 6061 aluminum today 120.00 minus
shipping.

 

[JimH]

the dollar exchange rate is definatly at play here in addition to the rise in cost of raw materials so we're getting a double whammy. then throw in the demand these days for firearms in general and we have something akin to the dot com bubble and realestate bubble. it will go in a cycle and eventualy come back to earth hopefully. if i had to choose though, i would prefer for ammo prices to come down first, at least i can afford to shoot the ones i have then :boohoo:

 

[macon county boy]

i dont believe it had much to do with price of steel and stainless steel mor with the guys in washington scareing everyone into buying all the ammo and guns

 

[Big Time Hunter]

Maybe I need to turn loose of some firearms then if they are up in price.

BTH:cheers:

 

[Heeler75]

[rquote=1503244&tid=104875&author=macon county boy]i dont believe it had much to do with price of steel and stainless steel mor with the guys in washington scareing everyone into buying all the ammo and guns[/rquote]

I'll have to disagree there. That was what I call a "panic attack" supply/demand issue more than anything. I've seen AR's back to pricing pre-January 20 (seemed to me more AR's being bought compared to other guns). Not to mention I bought some Remington 9 1/2M Primers 2 weeks ago (BP Independence) and paid $3.49/100 and then at Cabela's 3 weeks ago bought a brick of CCI BR-2's for $45.

If guns are made of steel then I would say steel costs are a major driving factor in price. Like igor said, when you can't even get a locked in price quote on raw materials, you forecast worst case scenarios. When China started building for the Olympics is when the steel market really went in the :toilet: Granted, price of steel has now stabilized and even gone down. Not a lot, but some.

Given the cyclical nature of that, we may not see a another price increase in guns for a couple of years if steel holds steady.

Right now they got their prices up to cover the way-high priced metal they have already bought.

:cheers:

 

[ALMOST NORMAL]

Not sure about the raw material thing. I buy steel everyday and am paying between 35 and 65 cents a pound for carbon steel, not scrap, from the mill with certs. Just called a supplier, 4140 can be bought all day for under a dollar a pound. I would say there are other factors involved.

 

[igor]

i kind of spoke out of my butt there, it's been about two years since i quoted and
bought steel on a day to day basis. Based on how the owner complains, kinda figured
prices were the same.
also we deal in relatively small amounts, not several tons at a time.

that being said, what's your overhead?
electric, gas, consumables, insurance,fuel surcharges, etc, probably higher than ever.
ours are.
can't say wages,,,,,havn't heard about an increase in that anywhere, around here anyway.

who are you buying from? emj?

 

[macon county boy]

i work in a metal fab shop i havent seen a price hike im paying a little more for steel than i was a year ago

 

[igor]

when i was quoting jobs, 1018 crs was fluctuating around 2.00 per pound.

not sure whats up with .35 per pound steel, we cant get it for anywhere near that price.
and mcb, fab shop, design and production machine shop here.