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Discussion in 'Deer Management, Habitat & Conservation' started by deep woods goat hunter, Dec 27, 2017.
The white ladino kind
7 minutes from house/work is a blessing. I am so glad I passed on other farms that were further away. Honestly my farm was only the second that I considered. But after it became available and I saw where it was,(farm I’d driven past 1000 times and always saw 20-30 deer on the section on summer loops, neighbors with large farms,etc) my mind was made up. During “offseason” I probably get to the farm 4 times a week in some form.
Here’s a few pics, gonna try clover on half of last years big brassica plot. If it doesn’t take I’ll start over again with maximum. After I got done seeding, got about an hour and a half of chainsaw time doing some edges feathering/screening hinge cuts. I made sure to maintain two present trails I wanted deer to enter the food plot on and block two others that weren’t ideal.
I also did a small pocket of hinge layer about 6 yards off the plot in hopes of deer bedding closer to the food.
A good sign was I busted several deer out of the area I hinge cut a couple hundred yards across the bowl earlier this winter. It’s very open timber between where I was and the deer were. I hope to remedy that with 2-3 layers of hinge and some additional traditional TSI. Deer nest building chainsaw time is much needed therapy for me after being in CarpetLand all day.
Aren’t u supposed to hinge cutvthem where there still connected to make a canopy looks like u have a lot of burning wood they won’t bed in that Willis ♂️
I’m not high hinge cut guy. I don’t hinge cut for a horizontal “canopy” like a lot of the gurus out there do. Clusters that I hinge for bedding/browse are waste/mid torso height. Hinge cutting high also defeats the purpose of providing maximum browse within a deers reach. I am more a fan of the benefits of “side cover” than “overhead cover”. Overhead cover also allows the deer higher visibility through open timber than side cover. Lastly, I feel side cut hinges are much safer than head height cuts, saw that close to my head/neck are not favorable. I have much more control cutting waste height.
Also, the cuts pictured are intended for screening and travel corridors, not bedding. These screen cuts are mostly between knee and waste high. The intention with this is for shoots to grow vertical from horizontal dropped trunk and deer to want to use the gaps for funneling movement where I want them (upwind and in bowrange).
To each their own, but that’s the methods to my madness.
Makes sense just misunderstood boss makes some good points it does work there lazy when it comes to trails
Was up at my place last weekend and snapped a pic. Here's a line we planted prolly 4 years ago right off the road, 10 feet apart. Just about as wide as tall and already can't see through.
Thanks for thinking of me CT!!!!
Those look great and have me looking forward to future.
Did you have to water them?
Any fertilizer or special treatment?
kill grass around them?
how tall were they when you transplanted them?
That's exactly what I am looking forward to.
1. I think its okay that you were thinking of me when you were drinking beer.
2. It rained 2" the day that I have planted most of mine and bee muddy, soggy ground, so I think I am good there.
3. Most of mine 70-80% are in that 3-4' neighborhood also
I think if I can plant 100-200 every year for 5 years I will be about where I need to be.
I would never consider planting a single cedar tree, let alone 1000.
different strokes.... I suppose.
Surely, my objective is to build a deer nest while accessing stands/food plots without deer being able to see me getting in. I can play the wind to beat their nose, but screening my access and building layers of bedding areas where they feel comfortable is my end goal. I am going to have WSG's in addition to the cedars.
My point of reference, I am deeply scarred by cedar proliferation, and I swear I live at Bush Honeysuckle ground zero.
ps - dont get me started on fescue
My 2017 Pumpkin buck walked out of a nest of bush honeysuckle. I am not really a fan of it but the deer are very comfortable in it. I'm sure plenty of folks have their own deep seeded hatred of the ERC, but I have a need an its free and have ample supply.
I dont think honeysuckle is that bad of a problem if it is kept in check. The issue arises when it is left to its own devices and spreads unabated.
We have some on the FILs farm that I will nuke this spring when it starts to leaf out. Thankfully its not big enough yet to do any real harm but there is a lot of it so I'm going to try and get ahead of it.
I see it mostly on the edges of town. Though in much of the state of IL, it has taken over even rural timber lands in massive proportions.
I look at both of these species as similar in that they are resource hogs. They are difficult to out compete and lead to a monolithic understory.
I agree, the cedars I'm planting will be utilized as borders for food plots, field edges, road frontage and be easy to control in these areas. If it ends up being a problem controlling them down the road, I'll send ya a PM for advice.
Its rampant in stl and another thing getting out of hand these days on roadsides is callery pear. Its a huge issue and getting much worse every year.
I'm assuming that is similar to Autumn Olive?
No, it is a cultivar of Bradford pears that are very popular in landscapes, sold for next to nothing at HD and Lowes, etc.
Bradford pears are self incompatible so they do not produce fruit but some of these cultivars arent and can produce fruit, they are extremely invasive and fast growing. Plus, the original brad pears I think were grafted onto callery rootstock and if the tree dies, the root can send up shoots and the resulting tree can (and will) set fruit, spread like wildfire and you get more issues.
Look for white blossoms in the spring along roadsides, overpasses, etc and you'll see just how bad the problem is.