CWD study will track deer movement

Discussion in 'Whitetails General' started by rat, Feb 5, 2018.

  1. henry

    henry Fan Boy aka Mr Twisty and

    I should rephrase that and say it needs to be more than a claim instead of needs to be invented. This could very well be like the vaccine that was going to cure cwd a couple of years ago.
     
  2. antlercrazed

    antlercrazed Well-Known Member

    Sep 8, 2010
    North Missouri
    They have been doing live test on elk for a few years already so I don't think it will be too long before a test is available for trial for whitetail deer in Missouri.Be lot better to go shooting deer with darts to put them to sleep to test in CWD zones vs killing every living creature
     

  3. hazelvillebucks

    hazelvillebucks Well-Known Member

    Oct 28, 2014
    Yes and killing only the infected deer would keep cwd contained in a smaller area.Bastian methodology can predict with more accuracy that a deer has cwd. In some deer there are no prions to find but they are positive.To find the trigger is big time news.THE REAL QUESTION IS WHETHER BASTIAN HAS PERFECTED A TEST THAT GIVES THE ANSWER IN MINUTES OR HOURS NOT MULTIPLE DAYS AND WEEKS.
    Henry is now desperately attacking the possibility of vaccines or antibodies that might be possible. I have no opinion on that but will say that the break thru in the ability to cultivate the bacterium gives science the tool to study such things.
    In a big way these tools are like watching the space ship lifting off the other day.THERE ARE BRAVE NEW WORLDS TO EXPLORE OUT THERE BUT THERE ARE ALSO BRAVE NEW WORLDS TO EXPLORE IN THE WORLD OF THE TINY UNSEABLE LIFE HERE.
    After WATCHING AND LISTENING TO THE FOLDING OF THE ARMS SONG AND DANCE OF EVERYTHING PRION , AND GETTING NO ANSWERS TO THE MOST BASIC OF QUESTIONS I APPLAUD DR. BASTIAN FOR BEING A REAL SCIENTIST.
    Some one has to save the day.
     
  4. henry

    henry Fan Boy aka Mr Twisty and

    You guys have it figured out except for what to do with the deer while awaiting test results. Even if Bastian actually is right and can develope a test it doesn't mean it will be instant like a litmus test. Then you run into the impossible task of catching every deer in an area.

    Culling isn't going anywhere. It's an unpleasant reality of this disease being in the wild.
     
  5. 20'

    20' Well-Known Member

    Aug 9, 2017
    As you know, the challenge would be tracking/finding the dart hit deer, I guess they could have trackers in them
     
  6. henry

    henry Fan Boy aka Mr Twisty and

    What do you do when the deer you just darted and tested turns positive a few days after released because it got exposed from the deer you darted tested and destroyed because it was a positive ? Capturing , live testing and releasing free ranging deer to control cwd is a pipe dream.
     
  7. 20'

    20' Well-Known Member

    Aug 9, 2017

    I guess the live test does not show results immediately, that would be an issue for sure. Hell, proceed with the plan to kill them all before they die...as good of plan as they have!
     
  8. 151hunter

    151hunter Active Member

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    Nov 25, 2013
    Controlling cwd period is a pipe dream
     
  9. 20'

    20' Well-Known Member

    Aug 9, 2017

    unfortunately, I believe you are 150% accurate!!!!!
     
  10. hazelvillebucks

    hazelvillebucks Well-Known Member

    Oct 28, 2014
    H YOU DO HAVE HOPE, THE plausibility of live trapping certainly is enhanced by a live test that gives the results quickly. But the nuts and bolts work of following the bacterium as it works its way thru the biological system does not rely on a instant test . That work is now ready to do.
    It IS MORE EFFICIENT TO CATCH THE DEER IN LARGE GROUPS THEN SHOOTING THEM ONE AT A TIME AND YOU DO AWAY WITH SHOOTING YOURSELF IN THE FOOT BY INFLICTING COLLATERAL DAMAGE.
     
  11. hazelvillebucks

    hazelvillebucks Well-Known Member

    Oct 28, 2014
    Text book example, Henry, of the reason we need to address with scientific tools not prudency. No deer that lacks the trigger of cwd is positive . the test is more accurate and catches the disease at a much earlier stage. It will now be possible at last to figure out how cwd moves from one deer to the next. TO KNOW WHETHER BEING IN THAT PEN PUTS THE DEER IN MORE DANGER . MOST LIKELY TO KNOW ALL THE THINGS THAT HAVE TO HAPPEN FOR CWD TO TRANSFER.
    without real knowledge and understanding of the biological process in play we are no where , we are lost. We need real answers to real questions . You call it a pipe dream i call it mans will to get it right to understand with science not prudency and fear.
     
  12. henry

    henry Fan Boy aka Mr Twisty and

    There isn't a live test confirmed to be accurate from Bastians work , much less an instant one. Live trapping large numbers of deer to test them is a pipe dream hazel. That's why clinging to a possibility because of an unproven "breakthrough" is unwise. People just complain more about what actually can be done NOW
     
  13. Hawk

    Hawk Well-Known Member Sponsor

    Oct 15, 2009
    In this world, scientists with over 40 years of study in a field have less knowledge than a guy that drives a truck evidently.... I doubt Id take Bastains input on the best route from Moberly to Omaha, or how a diesel engine works. Not sure why we should take the truck drivers opinion about how a test developed by the researcher works....:rofl::rofl::rofl:

    No offense to other truck drivers or researchers, but this is text book science denial.
     
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  14. henry

    henry Fan Boy aka Mr Twisty and

    I think I will wait on somebody besides the guy who has been trying to prove the same thing since 1979 to confirm he has actually proven it.

    There still isn't a live test that has been peer reviewed and confirmed to actually work. It doesn't exist. Lol . The theory it is predicated on hasn't been reviewed.
     
  15. buckstop660

    buckstop660 Crossbow Specialist

    Jul 17, 2014
    NW Mo.
    Are you talking about similar researchers who claim global warming? Ya that didn't work so it became global climate change. Of course when it didn't work they started the science denier name tag for all those that didn't buy in. These same researchers even had to use false facts to support their claim too. These same guys cant forecast weather 2 days into the future but we're supposed to believe things 10-20 years out. Junk in junk out.

    I'm glad there is somebody that maybe thinking outside the box looking for a solution not followers that are in it for the research grant dollars.
     
  16. henry

    henry Fan Boy aka Mr Twisty and

    No. I'm talking about the guy who has been trying to prove the same thing since 1979.
     
  17. Hawk

    Hawk Well-Known Member Sponsor

    Oct 15, 2009

    So the tests used on the elk MO moved in may not have been accurate??

    So the test used in the study that you and others claim proves that CWD will decimate the herd may not be accurate either??

    You realize you cant have it both ways.....
     
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  18. Hawk

    Hawk Well-Known Member Sponsor

    Oct 15, 2009
    Seems like a more likely candidate to be correct than the guy on this forum that doesnt have an inkling what a spiroplasm even is....
     
  19. henry

    henry Fan Boy aka Mr Twisty and

    They have been tested by multiple sources. Bastians is just a claim.

    I think I will believe it is a reality when it's tested by multiple sources. Until then and it's in use it's just a claim.
     
  20. 20'

    20' Well-Known Member

    Aug 9, 2017
    so let's not worry about Bastians test, but there is a live test that your GOD, the MDC used on animals they introduced into the Missoura landscape!!!