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  1. flounder

    flounder Member

    433
    Feb 26, 2010

    -----Original Message-----
    From: Terry Singeltary <flounder9@verizon.net>
    To: Tracy.A.Nichols <Tracy.A.Nichols@aphis.usda.gov>
    Sent: Fri, Mar 30, 2018 12:51 pm
    Subject: Docket No. APHIS-2018-0011 Chronic Wasting Disease Herd Certification Program Standards Singeltary Submission March 30, 2018

    Docket No. APHIS-2018-0011 Chronic Wasting Disease Herd Certification Program Standards Singeltary Submission March 30, 2018

    Greetings APHIS, USDA, Dr. Tracy Nichols, et al,

    I wish to kindly submit my comments on the Docket No. APHIS-2018-0011 Chronic Wasting Disease Herd Certification Program Standards please. i have submitted online and sent a hard copy to Dr. Nichols via email. i know that my concern may not be the same concern as others, but ramifications from cwd tse prion can be long lasting, and science is still emerging. however, the science today warrants immediate and further actions be taken. my comments, with reference materials, are as follows, and will be formatted in such a way, i will address issues by numbers 1-10, and under each one of my comments by each number, i will reference my comments with science to back up what i am stating/asking...thank you kindly, terry

    1. I believe that immediately, there should be a 'DECLARATION OF EXTRAORDINARY EMERGENCY FOR FOREIGN ANIMAL DISEASE OF THE United States of America USA' due to Chronic Wasting Disease CWD Transmissible Spongiform Encephalopathy TSE Prion disease. All Intercontinental, International, Interstate movements of cervid should be banned immediately from the USA, and documented CWD TSE Prion Countries. There was a 'DECLARATION OF EXTRAORDINARY EMERGENCY FOR FOREIGN ANIMAL DISEASE' declared in the USA way back On July 10, 2000, several sheep from the flock tested positive for a TSE, a class of degenerative neurological diseases that is characterized by a very long incubation period and a 100 percent mortality rate in infected sheep. Two of the better known varieties of TSE are scrapie in sheep and BSE in cattle. On July 14, 2000, USDA issued a declaration of extraordinary emergency to acquire the sheep. but those test were wrong, and a decade later after FOIA request after request, turns out those sheep from Belgium never had any TSE Prion disease. long story, but what is the difference here, especially since we are dealing with Chronic Wasting Disease CWD TSE Prion, and the fact now that not only has CWD been exported from North America to South Korea, and to Norway, but now Finland has confirmed it's first case of Chronic Wasting Disease CWD TSE Prion. So, where does the 'BUCK' stop? why has this 'DECLARATION OF EXTRAORDINARY EMERGENCY FOR FOREIGN ANIMAL DISEASE OF THE United States of America USA' due to Chronic Wasting Disease CWD Transmissible Spongiform Encephalopathy TSE Prion disease, not already been declared, and why has not a Intercontinental, International, Interstate movements of cervid BAN not already been put in place, especially since the recent findings of oral transmission studies with the Macaque, in relations with oral transmission of muscle meat with cwd, and oral transmission of cwd to the pig? do we just continue to truck, ship, or fly this CWD TSE Prion all around the globe, just to save the industry? see; August 15, 2000 OIG case # NY-3399-56 REDACTED, VT ''Enclosed is OIG's notification that they have scheduled an investigation of the following individual. REDACTED is alleged to have provided possibly inaccurate test results involving diseased sheep. However, because the results were determined to be inconclusive, no actual violation was actually committed.''

    http://foiamadsheepmadrivervalley.blogspot.com/

    2. Voluntary Chronic Wasting Disease Herd Certification Program should be made MANDATORY immediately, OR NO PERMIT TO FARM DEER OR ELK, PERIOD! you don't want to join, then fine, you don't farm cervid and or any product there from.

    3. INDEMNITY, NO MORE Federal indemnity program, or what i call, ENTITLEMENT PROGRAM for game farm industry. NO MORE BAIL OUTS FROM TAX PAYERS. if the captive industry can't buy insurance to protect not only themselves, but also their customers, and especially the STATE, from Chronic Wasting Disease CWD TSE Prion or what some call mad deer disease and harm therefrom, IF they can't afford to buy that insurance that will cover all of it, then they DO NOT GET A PERMIT to have a game farm for anything. This CWD TSE Prion can/could/has caused property values to fall from some reports in some places. roll the dice, how much is a state willing to lose?

    4. QUARANTINE OF ALL CAPTIVE, BREEDERS, URINE, ANTLER, VELVET, SPERM, OR ANY FACILITY that has been confirmed to have Chronic Wasting Disease CWD TSE Prion, the QUARANTINE should be for 21 years due to science showing what scrapie can do. 5 years is NOT enough. see; Infectious agent of sheep scrapie may persist in the environment for at least 16 years
    Gudmundur Georgsson,1 Sigurdur Sigurdarson2 and Paul Brown3Correspondence Gudmundur Georgsson ggeorgs@hi.is1 Institute for Experimental Pathology, University of Iceland, Keldur v/vesturlandsveg, IS-112 Reykjavı´k, Iceland2 Laboratory of the Chief Veterinary Officer, Keldur, Iceland3 Bethesda, Maryland, USAReceived 7 March 2006Accepted 6 August 2006In 1978, a rigorous programme was implemented to stop the spread of, and subsequently eradicate, sheep scrapie in Iceland. Affected flocks were culled, premises were disinfected and, after 2–3 years, restocked with lambs from scrapie-free areas. Between 1978 and 2004, scrapie recurred on 33 farms. Nine of these recurrences occurred 14–21 years after culling, apparently as the result of environmental contamination, but outside entry could not always be absolutely excluded. Of special interest was one farm with a small, completely self-contained flock where scrapie recurred 18 years after culling, 2 years after some lambs had been housed in an old sheephouse that had never been disinfected. Epidemiological investigation established with near certitude that the disease had not been introduced from the outside and it is concluded that the agent may have persisted in the old sheep-house for at least 16 years.

    http://www.microbiologyresearch.org...est&checksum=51DB085BD612A0603240F09E29D4AADD

    Survival of Scrapie virus after 3 years interment

    Paul Brown, D. Carleton Gajdusek

    https://web.archive.org/web/20090505211734/http://www.bseinquiry.gov.uk/files/sc/Seac07/tab03.pdf

    Back around 2000, 2001, or so, I was corresponding with officials abroad during the bse inquiry, passing info back and forth, and some officials from here inside USDA aphis FSIS et al. In fact helped me get into the USA 50 state emergency BSE conference call way back. That one was a doozy. But I always remember what “deep throat” I never knew who they were, but I never forgot;

    Some unofficial information from a source on the inside looking out -

    Confidential!!!!

    As early as 1992-3 there had been long studies conducted on small pastures containing scrapie infected sheep at the sheep research station associated with the Neuropathogenesis Unit in Edinburgh, Scotland. Whether these are documented...I don't know. But personal recounts both heard and recorded in a daily journal indicate that leaving the pastures free and replacing the topsoil completely at least 2 feet of thickness each year for SEVEN years....and then when very clean (proven scrapie free) sheep were placed on these small pastures.... the new sheep also broke out with scrapie and passed it to offspring. I am not sure that TSE contaminated ground could ever be free of the agent!! A very frightening revelation!!!

    ---end personal email---end...tss

    5. DESCRIBING APHIS' intent to amend the regulations to define susceptible species based on scientific evidence of natural infection or experimental infections through natural routes and adding the genera Rangifer and Muntiacus to the list of susceptible species...
    snip...see full text;

    *** APHIS USDA CFIA CWD TSE Prion Herd Certifications Update ***

    FRIDAY, MARCH 30, 2018

    Docket No. APHIS-2018-0011 Chronic Wasting Disease Herd Certification Program Standards Singeltary Submission March 30, 2018

    Terry S. Singeltary Sr., Bacliff, Texas USA 77518 flounder9@verizon.net Attachments (1) Docket No. APHIS-2018-0011 Chronic Wasting Disease Herd Certification Program Standards Singeltary View Attachment:View as format pdf

    https://www.regulations.gov/document?D=APHIS-2018-0011-0003

    https://www.regulations.gov/content...-0011-0003&attachmentNumber=1&contentType=pdf

    https://www.regulations.gov/docketB...=commentDueDate&po=0&dct=PS&D=APHIS-2018-0011

    http://chronic-wasting-disease.blogspot.com/2018/03/docket-no-aphis-2018-0011-chronic.html

    WEDNESDAY, APRIL 04, 2018

    Canada Chronic Wasting Disease Voluntary Herd Certification Program Updated

    http://chronic-wasting-disease.blogspot.com/2018/04/canada-chronic-wasting-disease.html

    THURSDAY, APRIL 05, 2018

    Boone and Crocket Club B&C News Release CHRONIC WASTING DISEASE TSE Prion

    http://chronic-wasting-disease.blogspot.com/2018/04/boone-and-crocket-club-b-news-release.html


    kind regards, terry
     
  2. bajabill

    bajabill BDR529

    Feb 16, 2012
    East Central MO
    hazelville stopped listening after 1 minute due to technical disagreement.
     

  3. rat

    rat Legbone

    Dec 13, 2005
    NO VALID LIVE TEST, STOP THE MADNESS ABOUT EVERYTHING PRION
     
  4. flounder

    flounder Member

    433
    Feb 26, 2010
    have you seen the latest species to go down with tse prion?

    we have mad camel disease now, and the outbreak, seems to be big, thus, nothing spontaneous about this one imo. see;

    NEW OUTBREAK OF TRANSMISSIBLE SPONGIFORM ENCEPHALOPATHY TSE PRION DISEASE IN A NEW SPECIES

    Subject: Prion Disease in Dromedary Camels, Algeria

    https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/24/6/17-2007_article

    http://camelusprp.blogspot.com/2018/04/tse-prion-disease-in-dromedary-camels.html

    http://camelusprp.blogspot.com/2018/04/dromedary-camels-algeria-prion-mad.html
     
  5. watermen

    watermen Active Member

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    Dec 22, 2011
    Rolla
    It's a big deal regardless of what you wish for.
     
  6. henry

    henry Fan Boy aka Mr Twisty and

    It would be nice if people would watch and listen.
     
  7. hazelvillebucks

    hazelvillebucks Well-Known Member

    Oct 28, 2014
    thanks you guys are starting to understand. you know this is the year 2018. FOR THE SAKE OF BRAINWASHING THE ILLINOIS DATA STOPPED IN 2014.. cwd will not be defeated if answers are not looked for.THE SAME BROKEN RECORD .THERE IS NOTHING THERE IN THE MICH TAPE BUT A DO OVER OF THE SAME CRAP. if protein cells can not be destroyed then earth must by now just be a prion.
    It appeared terry did not finish his list.YES IT CONTINUES TO SPREAD IN wISCONCIN , BUT IT IS FROM THE CPTIVE GAME FARMS TRUCKING IT AROUND. localized anniliation only Spreads cwd into new areas at a faster rate. to no nothing , then not try to understand is bad.wITHOUT LOOKING FOR ANSWERS WE ARE DOOMED , WAITING FOR SOMEONE ELSE TO FIND THE ANSWER IS A QUARENTEE THEY WILL NOT BE FOUND.
    in the hot zones tous are asking folks to write there future off , don,t you think a real effort for solutions should not come.LOTS OF THINGS IN THERE BAT SCINCE PRESRNTTION THAT HAS NO MERIT FROM SCIENCE. A PRION IS A CAUSE A DEER CAN HAVE CWD WITHOUT PRIONS .
     
  8. henry

    henry Fan Boy aka Mr Twisty and

    The Illinois data didn't stop in 2014.
     
  9. flounder

    flounder Member

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    Feb 26, 2010
    LISTEN TO THIS CWD BLUES DIDDY ABOUT WISCONSIN CWD TSE PRION REPORT

     
  10. bajabill

    bajabill BDR529

    Feb 16, 2012
    East Central MO
    Many people find that repetition is a good way to learn something, give a try.
     
  11. BackyardBandit

    BackyardBandit Don't mind me

    Jan 12, 2012
    West St. Louis Co.
    Kelly is hot. Too bad she left us.
     
  12. hazelvillebucks

    hazelvillebucks Well-Known Member

    Oct 28, 2014
    Correct but if you follow the story you see the great promise of holding cwd to a lower prevalence crack. THE SCHEME IS SPREADING CWD INTO NEW TERRITORY BY MAKING THE TARGETED SPOTS A LOWER POPULATION FILLED IN By transient deer.Now that cwd in Illinois is entering habitat that holds a higher deer density the process will accelerate like the sponges in MO ARE DOING.
    By stopping the comparison in 2014 they can get a comparason of what they want. iT IS pitiful that in Wisconsin zero mention of the role deer pens have played in cwd was forgotten.
    THE DIRE WARNINGS THAT IN TIME DEER SEASONS WILL BE YOUNG BUCK ONLY , ALL DOE NEED TO BE SAVED TO HAVE A POPULATION IS ANOTHER SWING AND MISS.the new forms of cwd that appeared in 2012 or something else will then come along and finish the job of managing a resource like it has no value.
    WE KEEP GETTING THE SUGGESTED LINK WITH SCRAPES but the link is that at this time we need leaders in conservation not sheep.
    Henry i hope that clarified things.
     
    Last edited: Apr 17, 2018
  13. hazelvillebucks

    hazelvillebucks Well-Known Member

    Oct 28, 2014
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    YOU WOULD THINK THAT PEOPLE WOULD WAKE UP .
     
  14. henry

    henry Fan Boy aka Mr Twisty and

    None of that is accurate.
     
  15. hazelvillebucks

    hazelvillebucks Well-Known Member

    Oct 28, 2014
    yes i meant to say the 2 new strains of ehd not cwd.
    conservation needs leaders not sheep. THE LIST OF PRUDENCE IS NOT SCIENCE THE ONLY SCIENCE TAKING PLACE IS IN FINDING OUT HOW LONG THE PUBLIC WILL STAND FOR A SCHEME WHICH IS ONLY THE WISCONSIN FIRST PLAN LIGHT. without kicking some rocks progress in real answers is not taking place.EVERY THING PRION IS NOT SCIENCE IT IS ME TO WHERE THE SHEEP FOLLOW SOMEONE WHO SAYS HE HAS THE ANSWERS.the deer being killed out side of fair chase hunting season may be the ones that would save the rest. WITHOUT REAL SCIENCE DEER DEER HUNTING AND DEER HUNTERS IS DOOMED.aNOTHER OF THE LESS THEN TRUTHFUL STATEMENTS WHICH SHOWS THE PRESENTATION AS NOT BEING WOTH THE EFFORT TO LISTEN TO IS THAT IN 20 MONTHS THERE WILL BE A MUCH MORE ACCURATE LIVE TEST OR TEST THAT A FARMER CAN PERFORM IN THE FIELD AND KNOW THAT THE DEER IS SICK OR NOT. a TEST THAT LOOKS FOR THE REAL CAUSE OF CWD. It is a disgrace.
     
  16. hazelvillebucks

    hazelvillebucks Well-Known Member

    Oct 28, 2014
    i see another offering from MICHIGAN IS ON THE TABLE . I WILL TRY TO GET THRU IT TOMORROW, TURKEY HUNTING A HURTING POPULATION CAN BE ENERGY DRAINING.But even if they were still at full strenght they are a challenge . It is why they call themselved the Hazelville Mocking Birds.
     
  17. Old man with candy

    Old man with candy Member

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    Feb 3, 2018
    They have a law that only boned out meat can be broughtt in from other state's but you can shoot a deer in the southern part of the state and transport the whole deer to the northern part of the state. That makes a lot of sense. Keep the foreign cwd out and spread our own.
     
  18. henry

    henry Fan Boy aka Mr Twisty and

    You must have missed the part where they said "yet, because there is a lot of research going on looking for answers".
     
  19. WBF

    WBF Wolf Brook Farms

    Oct 25, 2013
    Prions are in the skeletal tissue... I.E. the boned out meat...
     
  20. Old man with candy

    Old man with candy Member

    37
    Feb 3, 2018
    So why not have a law that only boned out meat can be transported period? I don't see where a state line has anything to do with it.