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Discussion in 'Artifacts, Knappings & Other Treasures' started by 421sd, Mar 30, 2015.
A little warm weather love for these cold days:
Maybe this one is more appropriate for the season:
Hey 421sd is that pontiac gathering u posted about back around page 6 or so going to happen again this summer ? I think it was in Vienna .
Unfortunately, and sadly.............most likely not.
Mr. Bennett passed away about 2 months ago, and I haven't heard if anyone will hold a gathering. I would always get a post-card invite from Don for this event each year, and I hope to get one saying his relatives may hold another gathering in his honor. I will let you know if I hear anything.
My local POCI Chapter will be holding a Pontiac-Oakland-GMC cruise and show (Buick and Olds also invited) in late summer in Springfield. If anyone is interested in that, let me know and I will get a flyer to you.
421as I sent you a pm
Here's a link to our Facebook page and the flyer is on there for anyone who's interested.
Got your pm Thanks !
Just got this one. 1936 Dodge 1/2 ton. Pretty much original except for the yellow paint and a Plymouth 6 flathead instead of a Dodge. It runs well and I bought it for my beekeeping business.
I got Coker radials ordered for it as the tires on there are from '74 and the flat spots cause the truck to shake pretty bad. Other than adding period correct break lights and turn signals along with some seat belts I'm going to add a little advertising and leave it looking barn find.
I got rid of my cool car last fall, we were in a downsizing mode, and didn't have room for it at the new house...... Once weather turns nice, I'll probably miss it.
Although, I probably won't miss worring about potential 5K repair bills if something went wrong with it....
Sweet truck DCoates!!! Perfect color combo for the job at hand. Glad you're planning on leaving it alone for the most part. Are you sure that isn't the original engine? Sister divisions, I could see a 'Plymouth' engine being installed in a Dodge.
60s-era Pontiacs with 3-speed manual transmissions had Dearborn (Ford) transmissions. 50's-era V8 GMCs had Pontiac engines.
40-year-old tires.......yeah, those gotta go!
It could be the original engine. I honestly don't know but I've seen Dodge's with Plymouth's and visa versa from that era but I don't know if those were changed either. I don't plan on messing with it either way unless there's a serious problem. The prior owner who'd had it since '74 didn't realize it wasn't a Dodge engine until someone else pointed out the "P" on the casting on the top of the engine. I was no wiser though it wasn't advertised as a matching truck, nor did it carry that premium. I've been having a hoot doing very limited drives with it. I am going to get it converted to 12 v as well for easier starting as it won't be a daily driver. I'll use it on nice days to do limited inspections at my apiaries and restocking my honor stand(s). It'll be another of my silent salesmen.
Update. The Plymouth engine was clearly installed post production. The title unfortunately has the original engine number (8 numbers) on it as the vin# and the serial tag (7 numbers) is gone. They were screwed on, not riveted so they were easily removed or could rattle off. Prior to WW2 there was not a consistent vin# system so where titling #'s came from was inconsistent, thus challenges like this.
What I bet happened was the engine was changed and when the car was next sold the tag was removed because it didn't match the reported vin# so they claimed it was lost, etc or no one checked. The title I've got is from TX and was issued in '72 so it happened prior to that. In MO there must be ID and OD verification from a inspection station and that's where this issue popped up. The gentleman I bought the truck from is a 78 year old recently retired lawyer who bought it in '72 in San Antonio who's downsizing his assets to travel more.
Upside, the new Coker classic radials do have the truck driving smooth. Downside, while the wheels were being balanced it turns out all the original steel hubs need to be straightened. How it drives smooth when the wheels aren't straight I have no idea but my son made note of it as I drove it to the mechanics to get it converted to 12v and to get lights and turn signals installed. Once I get that completed I've got another shop that'll straighten them up.
Getting to enjoy the MO DOR auto titling experience for incorrect vin #'s.
So you're saying the VIN came off the body and they re-titled with the engine number? Or the VIN was attached to the engine and was missing so they then used the engine number?
Hope that doesn't give you any issues....but engine swaps are done all the time....
It appears the number they used for the vin was the original engine number. I don't know when the serial plate disappeared. Dodge 1/2 ton trucks had 7 digit serial # so at some point someone used an 8 digit number that better fits with an engine number. When they did this is unknown. It was apparently common back then to use an engine number as a serial number for registration purposes. There was no set of rules regarding this and it may or may not match the serial number. Location of serial plates differed even with the same manufacturer. Example, 1936 Dodge passenger vehicles had them on the inside of the passenger door cab frame, whereas Dodge trucks (1/2 ton +) had them on the firewall.
Someone titling a Dodge truck might not even think to look at the firewall after unsuccessfully locating the serial plate in the door frame. They simply grab the engine number as they did with some Fords, Chevy's, etc.
The slight fear I've got is if this is/was a stolen auto from God knows how far back that's brought to light I'm hosed. Who knows if TX even has files for a 1936 truck that was last titled in '72.
Uniform record keeping was so poor prior to the 70's........I doubt there's much background, especially from the 30's and through the war/post war era.
On a side note......I know where there's an identical '36 just setting and rotting along a county road near here........
Parts off it could have some value, assuming its body is rusted to such a point it's beyond restoration. The wheels, if they are original are are worth $75+ apiece. The grill? It alone would be worth well over a $K if in reasonably restorable condition. I know a guy who'd definitely buy the seat even if it was just the springs and wire frame.
Not mine to sell and not even 100% sure of whom owns the land at this point since the owner I knew passed away some time ago and I believe his son-in-law may own it. He lives OOS and only shows up occasionally for deer season. It was a beautiful truck at one time........I literally remember it from when I was a kid, probably 10/12 years old first time I saw it. This one is red/black and was intact when I first saw it but has really gone down hill in 40+ years. I remember telling the guy I was gonna buy that from him some day and restore it........he told it'd be a good one and that the only reason he parked it there and left it was because it used as much oil as gas and smoked like crazy........