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Brothers first plot, question.

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Background: We are busy and 2.5 hours from the place. First time clover plot in overgrown bottom butting up to a creek. 1 acre has been mowed fescue for about a decade now. He sprayed into it when it was about 3 feet tall on July 20.

Planning to burn up what's standing/laying dead the in the next week or two.

Question: Do you think he will have decent/any result on a second kill if he sprays Gly the day after he burns?

Then broadcasting seed a few hours later into the re-sprayed area. Wasn't sure if there would be anything green for the spray to land on and do anything for a second time after a burn......thoughts/suggestions?
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I suppose its cheap enough to try spraying again that soon but it would be best if he waited for whatever is there to recover I would think. Can you do the re-spray and seeding the following weekend? You may not even need to re-spray but I'm sure something will have survived if it was 3ft tall, either fescue not completely dead or canopy effect on weeds underneath.
What are you planting?
I suppose its cheap enough to try spraying again that soon but it would be best if he waited for whatever is there to recover I would think. Can you do the re-spray and seeding the following weekend? You may not even need to re-spray but I'm sure something will have survived if it was 3ft tall, either fescue not completely dead or canopy effect on weeds underneath.
What are you planting?
Yea its 100% a time and getaway factor. All the plots I've done up there Ive done two well timed gly sprays, and the weeds/fescue still want to come back pretty heavy into what I've seeded. Im pretty sure he will need at least two good kills to have even a decent result. Im not sure what the dirt is made of there but stuff sure likes to grow.

Clover on 2/3, and some random bags he's acquired over some time he wants to use up. lol
I'd just burn and broadcast. If the grasses/weeds get out of hand, I'd either cut or spray selectives as necessary.
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I'd go with just broadcasting the seed after burning if thatch is too much. In the spring, you can go from there and decide what's best. A complete kills, selective herbicide, or just mowing.
I'd go with just broadcasting the seed after burning if thatch is too much. In the spring, you can go from there and decide what's best. A complete kills, selective herbicide, or just mowing.
Wondering how much fescue will come back. Not sure his opinion, but I wouldn't care to much to have some wild vegetation in there as long as the fescue took a big time hit on the initial spray.
Best time to kill fescue is when it's about the only green thing left late fall'ish.
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why burn? seed it then spray again immediatelyand pray for rain. These guys will know better than I do.
why burn? seed it then spray again immediatelyand pray for rain. These guys will know better than I do.
I'm thinking the thatch will be thick. May be even some clumps from the last time he brush hogged too possibly.

But this is the thinking why i asked. Seems logical too.
Small seed will make its way down into thatch but may not make soil contact. If the thatch is tall/thick, I'd either burn or mow/rake/blow it off to make sure the seed has the best chance to get where you want it. My $0.02.
Wondering how much fescue will come back. Not sure his opinion, but I wouldn't care to much to have some wild vegetation in there as long as the fescue took a big time hit on the initial spray.
You will get a lot of fescue emerging from the seed bank even if you got a 100% kill on existing plants. You will have fescue to kill for awhile .
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You will get a lot of fescue emerging from the seed bank even if you got a 100% kill on existing plants. You will have fescue to kill for awhile .
Yea, thats been my experience.
I also seeed in waist high stuff I sprayed and the clover is sprouting, ever see those rye field they crimp, that stuff is thick as can be and the seeds find a way. Good luck, but like Henry said, the fescue will take a few years.
ever see those rye field they crimp, that stuff is thick as can be and the seeds find a way.
Usually when crimping a cover crop, the following crop is no till/drilled in not broadcast.
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I'd go with just broadcasting the seed after burning if thatch is too much. In the spring, you can go from there and decide what's best. A complete kills, selective herbicide, or just mowing.
Come spring plant a round up ready soybean.. you can treat the seed bank emergence through the summer while providing Soy Beans. Doubt you will have any beans for fall but you will have a slick canvas for fall.. unlike your experiencing now....
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Wondering how much fescue will come back. Not sure his opinion, but I wouldn't care to much to have some wild vegetation in there as long as the fescue took a big time hit on the initial spray.
Not what you're going to want to hear, but I'd give up on trying to plant clover this summer for a fall plot, you're not going to get a decent stand anyhow. Wait till late fall & spray the fescue with glysophate. Throw it full of wheat at that time & let that be your fall plot. At that time you can also put down your clover. You'll get a far better kill on fescue in the fall than any other time of the year
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Not what you're going to want to hear, but I'd give up on trying to plant clover this fall, you're not going to get a decent stand anyhow. Wait till late fall & spray the fescue with glysophate. Throw it full of wheat at that time & let that be your fall plot. At that time you can also put down your clover. You'll get a far better kill on fescue in the fall than any other time of the year
Especially with the winters or lack of we have been experiencing. Fescue like to rebound especially after a long summer. If it's still green going into November nuke it with Gly...
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Especially with the winters or lack of we have been experiencing. Fescue like to rebound especially after a long summer. If it's still green going into November nuke it with Gly...
I've sprayed fescue in Dec during mild winters. Couple warm days will cause it to start growing again & will hungrily suck up the poison.
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The thing you need to worry about is the seed bank. Fescue will sprout for several years. Best long-term plan is to do annuals that give the chance to terminate fescue sprouts a few times a year. Once clean, you can get years out of a perennial like clover. If you rush it, the plot will be fescue again in a year or two...
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