[Jeremy]

you do know you can take your bow out during rifle season...correct?
you do also know the reason behind rifle season being during the rut has a purpose. and believe it or not, its not a selfish purpose thought up by rifle hunters. the deer population must be controlled, the best chance for the numbers of deer needed to be taken during a year is during the rut when the bucks are chasing does around and are more likely to be moving during daylight hours.
with all the qdma and other stuff flying around about healthy deer herds, numbers, ratios etc etc, why would you want to move the most succesful hunters out of the woods when they can get the job done? i think with everyone on the qdma bandwagon they would also consider seasons and methods to population control as well...guess i was wrong. you cant preach "move rifle season from the rut" for management reasons and in the next breathe "let bowhunting remain open" knowing your more of a bowhunter and despise rifle hunters anyway. the replies in posts have stated it clearly. your either part of the solution (on a whole..which is population control as well, not just big racks) or your not. picking and chosing certain parts of qdma doesnt work...or as some people like to say ...that dog wont hunt.:shrug: currently theres more than a few topics all about the same thing. not one of them makes sense in the management perspective your trying to use. if you want to bowhunt during rifle season, do it and stop complaining about rifle hunters. they have just as much right to be in those woods and shoot those same deer your after, but they manage to do it in a couple weeks time, not a couple months. perhaps you should thank the rifle hunters for following completey through with the qdma stuff you talk about, obviously in all the months bowhunters have to do it, you just arent getting it done on a statewide level...the numbers speak for themselves.
just my opinion, like it or leave it...it doesnt matter. but someone needed to say it.

 

[DADAKOTA]

Nicely struck Jeremy.:cheers:

 

[callaojoe]

Hi, My name is CallaoJoe, and I am a Bowhunter......

And......, I like rifle season just fine where it is......:shrug:

 

[Jeremy]

[rquote=1494083&tid=104334&author=callaojoe]Hi, My name is CallaoJoe, and I am a Bowhunter......

And......, I like rifle season just fine where it is......:shrug:[/rquote]

and you and I are in the same conoe then:cheers:

 

[buckwacker181]

:cheers:

 

[BC_1997]

[rquote=1494085&tid=104334&author=Jeremy][rquote=1494083&tid=104334&author=callaojoe]Hi, My name is CallaoJoe, and I am a Bowhunter......

And......, I like rifle season just fine where it is......:shrug:[/rquote]

and you and I are in the same conoe then:cheers:[/rquote]

And I......is there some kind of support group for us?:cheers:

 

[letemgrow]

I don't think most gun hunters are qdma...have you seen how many button bucks are shot during gun season??

 

[callaojoe]

Don't know about a support group or nuthin.... Although, at times I think we're in the minority, I don't believe we'll qualify for any federal money... Although.... Oops... Don't wanna go political.

Part of deer hunting to me is tradition, and MO tradition, says rifle season is during the rut in MO..... Plus, I am an equal opportunity kill'a..... I like gig'n em with a bow, and shooting them with a rifle.... It's all good....

Plus, of the several hundred thousand people that buy tags in MO, and don't hang out here... Most of them prolly prefer it where it is too.... Least, that is what I think...:shrug:

 

[Bass Fishin]

I like your opinion Jeremy [file]82082[/file]

You can use both gun and bow during the rut and both types of hunters have the same opportunity pretty much. Gun hunters are just as likely to SEE deer as much as bowhunters. Now the gun hunters may shoot more deer because they can get more accurate and farther shots on a deer though.

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[Jeremy]

[rquote=1494094&tid=104334&author=letemgrow]I don't think most gun hunters are qdma...have you seen how many button bucks are shot during gun season??[/rquote]

5437 so far via archery methods with a total of 42451 deer...or 12 percent, of all archery harvests were button bucks

27147 via firearms methods with a total of 193097 deer
which is a mere 14%

so, with the archery kills being up close and personal, and almost near the same percentage of rufle kills, which are taken at more considerable distances where a button buck might be easily mistaken for a doe....i dont see how the archers are doing any better:shrug:

 

[htredneck]

I think someone forgot to tell the deer that they were supposed to be in rut during rifle season.

 

[Jeremy]

[rquote=1494131&tid=104334&author=htredneck]I think someone forgot to tell the deer that they were supposed to be in rut during rifle season.[/rquote]

no doubt....:cheers:

 

[Kickers288]

you can kill a doe anytime of the year and by movin rifle season back you will be protecting the bucks from runnin stupid and gettin shot. a doe will move more than a buck will once pressure gets applied so by movin rifle season your not going to huge decrease in the kills. i bet you would see a big increase in doe kills movin it later then what it is now

 

[Kickers288]

but after all it is a deer

 

[BC_1997]

[rquote=1494137&tid=104334&author=Scott_288]you can kill a doe anytime of the year and by movin rifle season back you will be protecting the bucks from runnin stupid and gettin shot. a doe will move more than a buck will once pressure gets applied so by movin rifle season your not going to huge decrease in the kills. i bet you would see a big increase in doe kills movin it later then what it is now[/rquote]

That's GREAT!:cheers: Then we can just suspend hunting Deer altogether through the rut right?eepwall:

 

[20 feet high]

I stoppped at the first paragraph when you said that the season is during the rut to control the population during the chasing phase.....how do you control the population by shooting 50% bucks and the another 25-30% button bucks.

I am going to read the rest now

 

[Jeremy]

[rquote=1494137&tid=104334&author=Scott_288]you can kill a doe anytime of the year and by movin rifle season back you will be protecting the bucks from runnin stupid and gettin shot. a doe will move more than a buck will once pressure gets applied so by movin rifle season your not going to huge decrease in the kills. i bet you would see a big increase in doe kills movin it later then what it is now[/rquote]

thats good, and bad.....some areas (ours in particular) dont need an increase in does killed. moving the season could be more detrimental to the overall numbers in certain areas.

i guess the point i'm trying to make is this, there are plenty of deer, as Henry says, theyre making more every year. continuously pushing the shoot more does agenda isnt going to cut the mustard in the long haul. people are trying to achieve an unnatural balance of bucks to does, not all areas can sustain such a population adjustment. seasons are blanketed across the state, so what may be beneficial to one part, amy do considerable harm in another. then nothing is accomplished and we are back to square one trying to ge the population back up, meanwhile the parts of the state that could handle the season move...are now headed into overpopulation. the only real world way to solve it in all areas is to do a county by county season date..the mdc doesnt have the funds, nor manpower to handle a situation such as that. we have a pretty decent thing going in missouri, continuously changing things imo, isnt the best idea, and doesnt benefit the population of the deer herd as a whole.:cheers:

 

[Kickers288]

[rquote=1494140&tid=104334&author=BC_1997][rquote=1494137&tid=104334&author=Scott_288]you can kill a doe anytime of the year and by movin rifle season back you will be protecting the bucks from runnin stupid and gettin shot. a doe will move more than a buck will once pressure gets applied so by movin rifle season your not going to huge decrease in the kills. i bet you would see a big increase in doe kills movin it later then what it is now[/rquote]

That's GREAT!:cheers: Then we can just suspend hunting Deer altogether through the rut right?eepwall:[/rquote]

yeah exaclty:hysterical::hysterical: his post was about bucks moving during the rut and bein able to control the population by shooting them. if you want to control the population go after does which like i said you can do anytime of the year so by movin it out of the rut what would be the difference??? less bucks killed and probably same or more does being killed where needed

 

[Bass Fishin]

[rquote=1494101&tid=104334&author=callaojoe]

Part of deer hunting to me is tradition, and MO tradition, says rifle season is during the rut in MO.....
[/rquote]

Absolutely. I look forward to rifle season because I see family and friends that gives me memories, and makes me remember good memories from deer hunting. Tradition is a part of hunting for me also.

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[DADAKOTA]

Why are we protecting the bucks? So the ego driven horn heads can get their hands on a big rack and once again feel good about themselves? Heck ya probably don't even care about the meat from your big buck. So a quality deer that ya'll manage for is all about the horns and not the herd.