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Im 100% about choice. We agree on that.

The issue is you continually try to say it doesnt work, or the hospital issue is under staffing, or theres some big risk of side effects. Why? None of those things are true or supported by data, which, until recently, you believed in....
I'd call DEATH a pretty serious 'side effect'. I personally knew someone that died of the shot and one of my closest friends knows three people that died of it.

I don't know the circumstances behind the three my friend knew, but the person I knew posted on her stalker book page that she had gotten the shot and was feeling really bad and having a bad reaction, and about a week later after no one had heard from her for a few days, she was found dead in her home. Either the shot killed her or it was one HECK of a coincidence. And not too long after she died, her post was deleted....
 

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I dont say And have never said the vaccine doesnt work. I said that very thing today.
ONE of the issues IS hospital understaffing.
The VAERS website is showing covid side effects far and above any other vaccine.
Again, if you 100% agreed that this is about choice, I’m not sure why you are bickering with everyone about it.
Vaers is crap. Nothing is verified. Its all coincidental for the most part.

Under staffing isnt a major issue. They would be just as full with full staff.

Im not sure why you keep denigrating it if as you say, it does work...????

I dont think you should have to get the shot, I just dont understand the negative comments.
 

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So, I have personal friends that have had a nightmare of a situation from having the shot, sick as heck. I have others that got along just fine.
I'm not denigrating anything, I am trying to defend my choice to make health decisions. I really thought you agreed with that.
Some hospitals ARE understaffed. Not sure where you are getting your information.

if VAERS is crap, why the heck does it even exist? Its part of the HHS government system you have been defending all this time. Why is it when something factual is inconvenient, its crap? Are you saying its not possible to have an adverse effect? My question is, knowing FULL well that I would be taking a chance for an adverse effect, what in the heck is the upside if I already have long-lasting and durable antibodies? I have had antibodies a full year after having covid, and likely had other booster exposures to covid along the way. If I hadnt had covid and was in a high risk group, I'd seriously think the benefit would outweigh the risk, but neither of those conditions exist in my situation.
 

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So, I have personal friends that have had a nightmare of a situation from having the shot, sick as heck. I have others that got along just fine.
I'm not denigrating anything, I am trying to defend my choice to make health decisions. I really thought you agreed with that.
Some hospitals ARE understaffed. Not sure where you are getting your information.

if VAERS is crap, why the heck does it even exist? Its part of the HHS government system you have been defending all this time. Why is it when something factual is inconvenient, its crap? Are you saying its not possible to have an adverse effect? My question is, knowing FULL well that I would be taking a chance for an adverse effect, what in the heck is the upside if I already have long-lasting and durable antibodies? I have had antibodies a full year after having covid, and likely had other booster exposures to covid along the way. If I hadnt had covid and was in a high risk group, I'd seriously think the benefit would outweigh the risk, but neither of those conditions exist in my situation.
Vaers exists to identify trends that are outside the norm for vaccine reactions. 11000 deaths out of 200 million shots is normal. You would get that many deaths if all you did was serve 200 million steak dinners.
 

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Vaers exists to identify trends that are outside the norm for vaccine reactions. 11000 deaths out of 200 million shots is normal. You would get that many deaths if all you did was serve 200 million steak dinners.
Can you explain herd immunity and why the numbers change? 70% now 85%
 

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Vaers is crap. Nothing is verified. Its all coincidental for the most part.

Under staffing isnt a major issue. They would be just as full with full staff.

Im not sure why you keep denigrating it if as you say, it does work...????

I dont think you should have to get the shot, I just dont understand the negative comments.
Of course nothing is verified. Just what do you think would happen if every entry was verified, tests were done, etc, and it turned out most were legit and there REALLY were a ton of serious reactions occurring that in reality, should shut the whole thing down?

There is ZERO incentive to actually verify anything posted to it. Quite the opposite really.
 

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So, I have personal friends that have had a nightmare of a situation from having the shot, sick as heck. I have others that got along just fine.
for the record Paul wife and I got our 2nd pfizer I just got a mild headache once again but the wife had about a 1/2 day where she just was bone tired so she slept it off and then felt fine
 

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I have heard in multiple interviews in regards to the lackadaisical response of the vaxxs world wide along with the new variants the thought of Herd immunity is now pretty much laughable.
Not to mention this thing seems to mutate pretty well. People are getting it more than once I believe. We are on the MU variant now, way to go Mizzou... :D
 
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for the record Paul wife and I got our 2nd pfizer I just got a mild headache once again but the wife had about a 1/2 day where she just was bone tired so she slept it off and then felt fine
I got poked with phizer vax back in mar/apr.... I "might" have felt a little body pains on first one, 2nd shot didn't feel a thing..... I still say, a person should have the right to choose to get it, not get it. But, don't biiitch to me about wearing a mask to protect you from it, or complain when you get the virus and it kicks your arse.
 

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for the record Paul wife and I got our 2nd pfizer I just got a mild headache once again but the wife had about a 1/2 day where she just was bone tired so she slept it off and then felt fine
Yep, I've talked to plenty of people who got along just fine with it.

I'm not worried about a shot hurting. I'm not worried about getting sick from it.

I'm more worried about a precedent that gets set when the govt can demand this of people.

And dont give me this malarkey (not you bean) about some precedent in 1905 or whatever. The death rate from smallpox can be as high as 50%.

We cannot calculate the death rate from covid. We cannot even calculate the vaccination rate. We have NO idea how many people have had covid, and we have NO idea what % of our population have been vaccinated.
 
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I'm more worried about a precedent that gets set when the govt can demand this of people.
Are there people on MWT who think this is a good idea? I got poked, but it was my choice, I'd never suggest that the govt mandate it.
 

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Can you explain what the total % needs to be for herd immunity?

Just curious
I'm not a doctor but it's amazing how it has changed from the beginning of the pandemic to now. I guess the old concept of herd immunity just had to be adjusted to meet the needs of the socialist Democrats.
 

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Are there people on MWT who think this is a good idea? I got poked, but it was my choice, I'd never suggest that the govt mandate it.
I respect your right to get the jab.
I suspect that you respect my right to not get it.

We have to remember, my household is testing POSITIVE for long-lived and durable antibodies. We will continue to get tested and as long as we have antibodies, I see no need to take a shot.

Its not like I am digging my heels in for no good reason. Nobody here can tell me how much added benefit I get from the shot. My doctor couldnt even tell me that. That's like getting castrated if someone on the internet told you that you have a 1% chance of getting testicular cancer. Who does s hit like that??
 

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I got poked simply because I am almost 60, have not had covid to best of my knowledge, and feared effects of covid more than the vaccine... And, if you are not vaxxed, and even if you are, everyone is going to get this thing at some point. So, I figured WTF I'll get poked. I will say, Phizer was only one I would allow them to do on me.
 
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I got poked simply because I am almost 60, have not had covid to best of my knowledge, and feared effects of covid more than the vaccine... And, if you are not vaxxed, and even if you are, everyone is going to get this thing at some point. So, I figured WTF I'll get poked. I will say, Phizer was only one I would allow them to do on me.
There, see. This is how medical decisions on a persons health are made.
You weigh the chances you are taking by not getting treatment against the chances you are taking BY getting treatment and make your decision.
Biden is trying to take that decision out of your hands regardless of your medical situation or risk status.
I cannot believe the people I am seeing who blindly agree with this.
 
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There, see. This is how medical decisions on a persons health are made.
You weigh the chances you are taking by not getting treatment against the chances you are taking BY getting treatment and make your decision.
Biden is trying to take that decision out of your hands regardless of your medical situation or risk status.
I cannot believe the people I am seeing who blindly agree with this.
Fk Biden. :D
 

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I got poked simply because I am almost 60, have not had covid to best of my knowledge, and feared effects of covid more than the vaccine... And, if you are not vaxxed, and even if you are, everyone is going to get this thing at some point. So, I figured WTF I'll get poked. I will say, Phizer was only one I would allow them to do on me.
Aside from being 35, what you said exactly the reason why I ended up getting it. After Delta showed up and the number of 30-40 year old people showing up my fiances hospital started increasing at a higher rate this past summer, I immediately signed up to get vaccinated as it felt like it was now riskier to not be vaccinated. Up until that point, she never said anything about me getting vaccinated myself even though she got it early on due to dealing directly with Covid patients at work. We both got the Pfizer poke and had zero reactions aside from a little tenderness around the injection site.

I don't really care whether the next person gets vaccinated or not. You do you.
 
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