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So I just got some numbers from a nurse / teacher / nursing home owner.

Buchanan County (St Joseph MO and area). Roughly 7.4% of population with positive covid test, or about 6700 people.

Hospital patients 29.

Now if 6700 postives from testing....how many really have it and aren't getting sick from it or just very mild symptoms?

29 / 87364 = .00033 or .033% of population in hospital.

Next question.... are all of these from Buchanan county? or could some be from surrounding counties...lowering the percentage of population hospitalized even more?

Reason this was being discussed is that it is slowly falling and that they are hoping if it will go under 5% masks will be voluntary.
I dont think thats right... this is from the MO dept of health. Im not sure how 6200 positives could be valid when the last 7 days was only 137....???
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I dont think thats right... this is from the MO dept of health. Im not sure how 6200 positives could be valid when the last 7 days was only 137....??? View attachment 224061
Great no one died...... probably 100s more have it and weren’t tested or vaccinated.
 
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Im not the one not thinking here Paul....
Well I wish you would instead of blindly stating stuff you cannot back up.

Comparing your ridiculous trapping nonesense to a persons health and wellbeing is sick in the head man, you need help once you are done with your mountain MWT posting trip.
 

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I just wonder how the account for people going to KC etc for treatment? Is that counted as a death for that county or KC?
how would a person ever know? There is no standard for reporting this stuff and certainly no standard between dying with covid and dying from covid.
Maybe you could do some more mountain googling and let us know.
 

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Well I wish you would instead of blindly stating stuff you cannot back up.

Comparing your ridiculous trapping nonesense to a persons health and wellbeing is sick in the head man, you need help once you are done with your mountain MWT posting trip.
Its the exact same thing. You say "well, it cant hurt and it may show some benefit".... with the shot you say "how much benefit?"

Id say its probably much more important to get a little extra protection from covid...
 

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how would a person ever know? There is no standard for reporting this stuff and certainly no standard between dying with covid and dying from covid.
Maybe you could do some more mountain googling and let us know.
People have addresses.... this isnt that difficult... you just need to know how its being tabulated now and then adjust if necessary.
 

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People have addresses.... this isnt that difficult... you just need to know how its being tabulated now and then adjust if necessary.
And do you know for sure how things are being tabulated? Sure, people who have tested positive and been hospitalized have addresses and ways to track, but do we have visibility to this other than what is being reported? Do you know how many people have been positive but never admitted, tested or tracked?
All I am saying is if you are towing the same line Fauci and everyone on top are putting out there, you are being potentially willingly mislead, telling folks they are likely to die if they dont get vaccinated.
 

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And do you know for sure how things are being tabulated? Sure, people who have tested positive and been hospitalized have addresses and ways to track, but do we have visibility to this other than what is being reported? Do you know how many people have been positive but never admitted, tested or tracked?
All I am saying is if you are towing the same line Fauci and everyone on top are putting out there, you are being potentially willingly mislead, telling folks they are likely to die if they dont get vaccinated.
In reality, it doesnt matter since qe can look at nationwide or state figures.

My only point was when people try to reduce the analysis to county only we do t know how its tabulated.

You get very defensive about this.
 

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In reality, it doesnt matter since qe can look at nationwide or state figures.

My only point was when people try to reduce the analysis to county only we do t know how its tabulated.

You get very defensive about this.
The whole point was people trying to relay what is happening in their locale. Thats why this got to a local level, you even started posting local level numbers. Lol

I’m pointing out sheep, not getting defensive. But for the record, when I am called a murderer, ostracized, being blackmailed by family members AND the US government, I probably should respond a bit defensively.

You have done nothing but defend your viewpoint here, dont see the difference really.
 

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6 New Orleans saints coaches, all fully vaccinated, all tested positive for the vid. Wth did they bother getting jabbed for?! That vax is a joke yet it’s being pushed on us like some miracle cure
 

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And just FYI.... NO ONE that knows anything has said that anyone is "likely to die"...
You haven’t read the media much then. There are absolutely people saying that AND saying that the unvaccinated should not be considered for treatment at hospitals ahead of the vaccinated.

This is the position you are defending.
 

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The whole point was people trying to relay what is happening in their locale. Thats why this got to a local level, you even started posting local level numbers. Lol

I’m pointing out sheep, not getting defensive. But for the record, when I am called a murderer, ostracized, being blackmailed by family members AND the US government, I probably should respond a bit defensively.

You have done nothing but defend your viewpoint here, dont see the difference really.
Well those people are idiots...

Even so, theres no reason to fear the shot.

My viewpoint is supported by OVERWHELMING numbers. Yours is not.
 

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You haven’t read the media much then. There are absolutely people saying that AND saying that the unvaccinated should not be considered for treatment at hospitals ahead of the vaccinated.

This is the position you are defending.
And you would lump the media in to a group that "knows anything"????
 

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Well those people are idiots...

Even so, theres no reason to fear the shot.

My viewpoint is supported by OVERWHELMING numbers. Yours is not.
Who fears the shot?

My viewpoint is having a choice in the matter. Do you really think that is only 10% of the people or something?
 

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Who fears the shot?

My viewpoint is having a choice in the matter. Do you really think that is only 10% of the people or something?
Im 100% about choice. We agree on that.

The issue is you continually try to say it doesnt work, or the hospital issue is under staffing, or theres some big risk of side effects. Why? None of those things are true or supported by data, which, until recently, you believed in....
 

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Im 100% about choice. We agree on that.

The issue is you continually try to say it doesnt work, or the hospital issue is under staffing, or theres some big risk of side effects. Why? None of those things are true or supported by data, which, until recently, you believed in....
I dont say And have never said the vaccine doesnt work. I said that very thing today.
ONE of the issues IS hospital understaffing.
The VAERS website is showing covid side effects far and above any other vaccine.
Again, if you 100% agreed that this is about choice, I’m not sure why you are bickering with everyone about it.
 

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I didn’t say 100%. I said nearly 100%. Not a new revelation but does confirm to me how unwilling to hear the other side you are when you don’t even properly reference what I said. Is it 80%? Is it 97%? Probably depends on what hospital and what source you go to. Either way it is a damn lot closer to 100% than 0% or even 50%. My info is from a major STL hospital doctor who is a department head. No he’s not a pulmonary specialist before you ask. But he does have daily meetings with them and all other department heads of his and other hospitals so he is a little better than average in the know.

Why do I care? Pretty damn big problem when they start having to even consider delaying or denying care for someone because they don’t have any space due to one very specific group of people. And yeah, as of the last time I checked a week or so ago all elective procedures are on hold. So yeah, I’m pissed about the situation and how easily it could be resolved if not for the actions/inaction of one damn specific group of people .

As I said before a long time ago. If you don’t get vaccinated and live in BFE and get sick. Go to the BFE hospital and see what they can do. If it ain’t much, well that’s the path you chose. If you live in a metro area and don’t get vaccinated and get sick, go to the back of the line.

If kids less that 12 could get the vaccine I could care less if people don’t get vaccinated. I could also care less if those same people got really sick and died. But to say that the choices of unvaccinated people are not negatively impacting vaccinated people is a crock of sh!t. That is just a big of civil liberties infringement as you saying required vaccination or mask mandates are a civil liberties infringement. The only difference is the side of the fence you stand on.

Just like smoking in public places. I could give a flying sh!t if someone smokes 3 packs a day and dies a horrible death of lung cancer. However, to say that person has the right to impact a non smoker in a public place because of his actions/choices is total and complete BS.
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