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I didn’t say 100%. I said nearly 100%. Not a new revelation but does confirm to me how unwilling to hear the other side you are when you don’t even properly reference what I said. Is it 80%? Is it 97%? Probably depends on what hospital and what source you go to. Either way it is a damn lot closer to 100% than 0% or even 50%. My info is from a major STL hospital doctor who is a department head. No he’s not a pulmonary specialist before you ask. But he does have daily meetings with them and all other department heads of his and other hospitals so he is a little better than average in the know.

Why do I care? Pretty damn big problem when they start having to even consider delaying or denying care for someone because they don’t have any space due to one very specific group of people. And yeah, as of the last time I checked a week or so ago all elective procedures are on hold. So yeah, I’m pissed about the situation and how easily it could be resolved if not for the actions/inaction of one damn specific group of people .

As I said before a long time ago. If you don’t get vaccinated and live in BFE and get sick. Go to the BFE hospital and see what they can do. If it ain’t much, well that’s the path you chose. If you live in a metro area and don’t get vaccinated and get sick, go to the back of the line.

If kids less that 12 could get the vaccine I could care less if people don’t get vaccinated. I could also care less if those same people got really sick and died. But to say that the choices of unvaccinated people are not negatively impacting vaccinated people is a crock of sh!t. That is just a big of civil liberties infringement as you saying required vaccination or mask mandates are a civil liberties infringement. The only difference is the side of the fence you stand on.

Just like smoking in public places. I could give a flying sh!t if someone smokes 3 packs a day and dies a horrible death of lung cancer. However, to say that person has the right to impact a non smoker in a public place because of his actions/choices is total and complete BS.

If you don't mean nearly 100%, then don't type, nearly 100%.

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Not watching cnn at all. Pretty damn certain ANY reliable source is in agreement nearly 100% of the ICU required COVID cases are the unvaccinated. And yes the overall strain that puts on the medical system as a whole royally pisses me off. And yes, it royally pisses me off kids under 12 can’t get the vaccine.

Those are you're exact words, not mine.

Pretty sure I acknowledged that the virus is serious, but through your bitter partisan eyes, you've lost reading comprehension & can only spew your views instead of considering others.

What I've addressed & have issue with, is the indiscriminate vaccinate everyone, regardless of Dr's advice or whether you've recovered from covid.

The nice thing about living in BFE, #1, It's not hard to isolate & stay away from large gatherings of people when I've been exposed to a known covid positive. I've been exposed multiple times, got & recovered from covid as well. Every single time, I used common sense & self isolated to avoid getting someone else sick. Same protocols I use when I've got a cold or other communicable sicknesses.

#2, I'm surrounded by people who still have common sense & don't let fear of the unknown drive their actions. We still have the ability to think for ourselves & don't let partisanship politics drive our thinking & views of our neighbors.

As for where I seek treatment if I get hurt or sick, what gives you the right to determine where others seek treatment? Your self righteous arrogance is such a treat. But let me assure you, it's not going to be St Louis. Likely, I'll get a helicopter ride to Columbia, that's the nearest trauma center to me.
 

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We went to our Fin advisor last night.... And, my wife and our advisor were talking about, how nice it'd be if the medical community would come together with one direction on how to handle covid.... They were both in agreement that would be good for the whole country... Except, I explained to them, you will never get all the leading medical experts to agree on what's best, that's an impossible ask... Just like on MWT, we're all not gonna agree on what's best to handle covid, even if we are the emminent experts in the field on pandemics and viruses... :D
 
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Your meme is missing this key point...

Then, what if that diaper had zero chance of making a positive difference in your life...... :D
 
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Your meme is missing this key point...

Then, what if that diaper had zero chance of making a positive difference in your life...... :D
Then you will be able to wear the diaper to assuage your guilt, just like any other virtue signaling.

You will also be able to brag on facebook so everyone thinks you are a nice person.

Imagine a world where you can be a grown up dayum adult and brag on facebook for wearing a diaper. Much crazier things are happening in todays world.
 
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the value in getting poked is debateable. A person needs to make their own decisions on that.
the value on the mask is pretty clear, it does nothing to stop airborn viruses...
Mandating mask wearing is just a fear & control thing.
I actually know a person, who is very "liberal", her family was on lake norfork in their pontoon boat last summer, wearing masks..... I mean, WTF???? hahahaha I wish I had a picture of that.
 
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the value in getting poked is debateable. A person needs to make their own decisions on that.
the value on the mask is pretty clear, it does nothing to stop airborn viruses...
Mandating mask wearing is just a fear & control thing.
I actually know a person, who is very "liberal", her family was on lake norfork in their pontoon boat last summer, wearing masks..... I mean, WTF???? hahahaha I wish I had a picture of that.
they say liberalism is a mental disease I think thats pretty good evidence. That and people driving alone with masks on as well as riding their Motorcycles where does the insanity end?
 

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they say liberalism is a mental disease I think thats pretty good evidence. That and people driving alone with masks on as well as riding their Motorcycles where does the insanity end?
I could see wearing a mask when riding a motorcycle to keep from eating too many bugs... :D
 

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Protection > risk
How much more though?

If someone told you a treatment would only give you 1% more of a chance but does have a risk of side effects, would you do it?

Thats the problem... nobody can tell us truthfully whether or not naturalized antibodies are just as long lived and durable.
 

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How much more though?

If someone told you a treatment would only give you 1% more of a chance but does have a risk of side effects, would you do it?

Thats the problem... nobody can tell us truthfully whether or not naturalized antibodies are just as long lived and durable.
It doesnt matter. Any side effects are negligible.

This is just like the trapping deal.... you cant tell us how much trapping helps, but you say its worth doing. Why dont you take that same stance with your health?
 

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It doesnt matter. Any side effects are negligible.

This is just like the trapping deal.... you cant tell us how much trapping helps, but you say its worth doing. Why dont you take that same stance with your health?
So, because you cant tell me what the additive benefit is, you say it doesnt matter. Got it.


And now, because you are so insanely wrapped around the axle on this trapping thing, managing habitat suddenly carries the same importance as decisions regarding my health and wellbeing.

Just wow…. Its pretty obvious you just dont think before you type this stuff.

Go put on some sunscreen… the people back at camp are getting sunburned.
 

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Managing habitat is way more important to me than your health rat.... :D
 
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So I just got some numbers from a nurse / teacher / nursing home owner.

Buchanan County (St Joseph MO and area). Roughly 7.4% of population with positive covid test, or about 6700 people.

Hospital patients 29.

Now if 6700 postives from testing....how many really have it and aren't getting sick from it or just very mild symptoms?

29 / 87364 = .00033 or .033% of population in hospital.

Next question.... are all of these from Buchanan county? or could some be from surrounding counties...lowering the percentage of population hospitalized even more?

Reason this was being discussed is that it is slowly falling and that they are hoping if it will go under 5% masks will be voluntary.
 

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So, because you cant tell me what the additive benefit is, you say it doesnt matter. Got it.


And now, because you are so insanely wrapped around the axle on this trapping thing, managing habitat suddenly carries the same importance as decisions regarding my health and wellbeing.

Just wow…. Its pretty obvious you just dont think before you type this stuff.

Go put on some sunscreen… the people back at camp are getting sunburned.
Im not the one not thinking here Paul....
 
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