[HarvDog]

The Bergara B14 Ridge would be real nice, not sure it’s legal in Illinois though.

 

[Mule]

On a bright note, Illinois is taking a baby step in the right direction. Chicago has always been the tail that wags the dog. First season I would be tempted to hunt with Grandpa's trapdoor Springfield. Meets all the requirements.

 

[antlercrazed]

Ruger American makes the 450Bush in a 22” Barrel, it’s not a ranch. Also eyeballing the 25” CVA Scout/Hunter. Reloading a break open single shot may be quicker than reloading a bolt gun.

I figure the 450s recoil is exaggerated because it’s being compared to the super light recoil of the 350. From my understanding the 450 is very similar to 50cal muzzleloader, 20ga or .308….depending on weight.
I’ll take the extra 50yds of confidence and not worry about quartering shots.

.450 bushmaster should be around the same as a 45/70. I believe they are pretty similar ballistically from my understanding. So long as the rifle isn’t lightweight it shouldn’t be that bad of recoil but I think you can get the Ruger with a Muzzle Brake on it which would definitely tame it down if so

 

[HarvDog]

.450 bushmaster should be around the same as a 45/70. I believe they are pretty similar ballistically from my understanding. So long as the rifle isn’t lightweight it shouldn’t be that bad of recoil but I think you can get the Ruger with a Muzzle Brake on it which would definitely tame it down if so

I used calibers that most are familiar with, including myself. I’ve never pulled the trigger on a 45-70 but I believe it’s probably more of a hammer in comparison. The 450 is no Nitro or 375HH, which I have pulled the trigger on. It’s not even a 300win

 

[callaojoe]

So, let me get this right.... In IL, you could use a lever gun or a bolt action rifle, as long as you only put one cartridge in it?

Seems like a simple solution to me. Just get a 45/70 or other big bore lever gun, than unload all but one before you head out of the woods... hahaha

 

[HarvDog]

So, let me get this right.... In IL, you could use a lever gun or a bolt action rifle, as long as you only put one cartridge in it?

Seems like a simple solution to me. Just get a 45/70 or other big bore lever gun, than unload all but one before you head out of the woods... hahaha

That’s my understanding, but you have to run a plug or gut a magazine. I’m not sure about the bottom metals. I’ll read closer when I get a chance

 

[HarvDog]

.450 bushmaster should be around the same as a 45/70. I believe they are pretty similar ballistically from my understanding. So long as the rifle isn’t lightweight it shouldn’t be that bad of recoil but I think you can get the Ruger with a Muzzle Brake on it which would definitely tame it down if so

That 16” barrel with a brake is hell on the ears, so I hear.

 

[trapperBR549]

As long as it’s single shot but I think .35 caliber is a good stopping point if you gonna have .350legend on list was the only reason. But I guess worded better it could just be any production single shot rifle. But to me I think muzzle loader and shot gun or just full on rifle season is really all a state should enforce. And I think it be best if all public land was just bow and crossbow only. Maybe some special draw hunts for gun so that limits the amount of people on a place. A bunch of hunters with rifles on public land is the least safe thing I can imagine hunting wise in this part of country,I want no part of it

How many people do you think have been accidently shot by a stranger on public land in the last 10 years? I can't swear to it but I bet the number is very close to zero. I read the incident investigation reports for many years and the vast majority of all accidents are self inflicted. The next most common is someone shooting someone in their party at close range while loading, unloading, etc. This big myth of people being shot by the orange army on public land is just that, a big myth.

 

[callaojoe]

That’s my understanding, but you have to run a plug or gut a magazine. I’m not sure about the bottom metals. I’ll read closer when I get a chance

On a lot of lever guns like the Model94, remove one screw on the magazine cap, slide a wooden dowl into mag the length of however many cartridges it holds, and bottaboom, bottabing you have a single shot lever gun.....

 

[callaojoe]

Here ya go Harv.....

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/965226498

 

[callaojoe]

How many people do you think have been accidently shot by a stranger on public land in the last 10 years? I can't swear to it but I bet the number is very close to zero. I read the incident investigation reports for many years and the vast majority of all accidents are self inflicted. The next most common is someone shooting someone in their party at close range while loading, unloading, etc. This big myth of people being shot by the orange army on public land is just that, a big myth.

I don't remember last time, or even if there has been an incident of orange army on public ground, shooting someone who is not in their own hunting party. I think I remember an incident or two of drive hunting, but honestly don't remember if it was public ground. The problem with Public ground in mo, is you are dealing with people moving around and stirring deer up, and running them off the public ground, or people who setup right next to you. Wild West shootings, is not an issue.

 

[20']

How many people do you think have been accidently shot by a stranger on public land in the last 10 years? I can't swear to it but I bet the number is very close to zero. I read the incident investigation reports for many years and the vast majority of all accidents are self inflicted. The next most common is someone shooting someone in their party at close range while loading, unloading, etc. This big myth of people being shot by the orange army on public land is just that, a big myth.

I can only think of that turkey hunter that shot someone in STC a couple years ago near the Katy trail, if memory serves.

 

[timberdoodle]

On a lot of lever guns like the Model94, remove one screw on the magazine cap, slide a wooden dowl into mag the length of however many cartridges it holds, and bottaboom, bottabing you have a single shot lever gun.....

This is my thinking also . Even easier with the Henry rifles, you can load/unload thru the tube . It’d be super easy to plug one I’d think

 

[timberdoodle]

Are the shotgun deer hunters limited to one shot ? The one whole 1 shot thing cracks me up really. Vast majority of the time one shot is all you need , but requiring it is a great example of the mentality going on in the state government over there . I guess they figure that since the gun and not the individual is responsible for all the killings and carnage of humans in Chicago, it must be incredibly more dangerous to have an extra round in a magazine ready to go when you’re in a deer stand 🤣

 

[callaojoe]

Are the shotgun deer hunters limited to one shot ? The one whole 1 shot thing cracks me up really. Vast majority of the time one shot is all you need , but requiring it is a great example of the mentality going on in the state government over there . I guess they figure that since the gun and not the individual is responsible for all the killings and carnage of humans in Chicago, it must be incredibly more dangerous to have an extra round in a magazine ready to go when you’re in a deer stand 🤣

IL politicians are dummm. I usually hunt with a single shot during our deer season, and have never felt the need for a repeater. Keep a couple rounds in my pocket, and could get another round in fairly quick, although I've never had to do that, unless it was to kill a second deer that hung around after the first one fell.

 

[trapperBR549]

I can only think of that turkey hunter that shot someone in STC a couple years ago near the Katy trail, if memory serves.

Good point, I was talking about deer but didn't specify that. Turkey hunting is a different story. I turkey hunted a lot of public ground back in the day and I always put on orange when moving and usually wrapped a vest around the tree I was sitting against.

 

[antlercrazed]

How many people do you think have been accidently shot by a stranger on public land in the last 10 years? I can't swear to it but I bet the number is very close to zero. I read the incident investigation reports for many years and the vast majority of all accidents are self inflicted. The next most common is someone shooting someone in their party at close range while loading, unloading, etc. This big myth of people being shot by the orange army on public land is just that, a big myth.

Wether people get killed or not a bunch of people with high powered rifles in hilly areas with a lot of hunting pressure is not safer than those same amounts of people not using high powered rifles. Plus it would help the deer in general with less pressure and control the amount of pressure on areas. Just cause someone doesn’t get shot and hit doesn’t mean bullets didn’t come wizzing by. I’ve had a squirrel hunter shoot right by me as a kid my dad had to start screaming so the guy didn’t shoot towards us again. It happens,I want no part of it anymore but to each their own

 

[callaojoe]

Wether people get killed or not a bunch of people with high powered rifles in hilly areas with a lot of hunting pressure is not safer than those same amounts of people not using high powered rifles. Plus it would help the deer in general with less pressure and control the amount of pressure on areas. Just cause someone doesn’t get shot and hit doesn’t mean bullets didn’t come wizzing by. I’ve had a squirrel hunter shoot right by me as a kid my dad had to start screaming so the guy didn’t shoot towards us again. It happens,I want no part of it anymore but to each their own

Unless they go archery only, I don't care if they are using a rifle that has a magazine, a single shot, a slug gun, or a 22lr.... the "danger exists"..... I don't honestly think it's any more dangerous to have people with bolt actions or lever guns over single shots..... And, statistics in MO sort of show that.

The whole straightwall/single shot deal is nothing but someone thinking they are making things more safe, when in reality they really arent. Read an article many years ago, that scientifically showed, that slugs are more apt to richochet than rifle bullets....

Here's a thought, how bout people follow the first rule of gun safety, and keep their muzzle pointed in safe direction, followed by identifying your target, and what may be behind it..... Gun Safety, Learn it, know it, live by it.

 

[antlercrazed]

Unless they go archery only, I don't care if they are using a rifle that has a magazine, a single shot, a slug gun, or a 22lr.... the "danger exists"..... I don't honestly think it's any more dangerous to have people with bolt actions or lever guns over single shots..... And, statistics in MO sort of show that.

The whole straightwall/single shot deal is nothing but someone thinking they are making things more safe, when in reality they really arent. Read an article many years ago, that scientifically showed, that slugs are more apt to richochet than rifle bullets....

Here's a thought, how bout people follow the first rule of gun safety, and keep their muzzle pointed in safe direction, followed by identifying your target, and what may be behind it..... Gun Safety, Learn it, know it, live by it.

That’s what I’m talking about I think gun hunter numbers on public should be reduced not the weapons. I know down here they have some places that are crazy with hunter numbers come thanksgiving week when rifle is open and everyone is off work. All the crazies are out in full force. Idk why they want to make it difficult to understand with rules with straight wall cartridges and all this red tape crap. Just make it easy and is it gun season or is it not,if so use any rifle you want. All these states start out with muzzle loader and shotgun,then it’s straight wall,then it’s some additional stuff,then it just turns into basically rifle season anyway so just call it that an be done or don’t allow anything but muzzle loaders with open sights and call it primitive