Featured another CWD idea? Hunters paid to kill CWD Deer

Discussion in 'Whitetails General' started by beanpile, Feb 13, 2018 at 1:21 PM.

  1. beanpile

    beanpile just a no body

    I apologize if this has already been posted


    Let's agree to some facts at the outset: Chronic wasting disease is spreading geographically and increasing in prevalence in Wisconsin; the fatal deer disease has been linked to herd declines in the West; it is extremely difficult to control; all measures used to curb its spread in Wisconsin have failed.

    It's beyond debate that CWD poses a threat to the future of our $1 billion deer hunting resource.

    We need a new hammer to hit the disease. A big one. And quick.

    Here's an idea: Let's pay hunters and landowners for killing CWD-positive deer.

    And let's get serious about it. Let's pay $1,000 to the hunter and $1,000 to the landowner for each sick deer taken off the landscape.

    Mike Foy presented the concept Tuesday at the 78th Midwest Fish and Wildlife Conference in Milwaukee.

    His talk was titled "Long-term Collaborative Chronic Wasting Disease Management Using Focused Rewards Guided by Prevalence Distributions: A Proposal."

    "I've gone through various bouts of depression and hope relative to CWD," said Foy, 61, a retired Wisconsin Department of Natural Resources wildlife supervisor who worked in the CWD management zone for half of his 30-year career. "I think we have to figure out some way to encourage cooperation and get us all on board."

    Foy said financial incentives work in many areas. Why not disease management?

    In addition to providing compensation to the hunter and landowner, Foy suggested paying a modest cash reward to local sampling stations, meat processors, taxidermists and others who provide CWD-positive samples.

    Since CWD is a frequency-dependent disease, the key to combating it is by removing sick deer.

    That's why Foy's proposal would utilize prevalence maps to focus hunting pressure in areas with the highest number of CWD-positive animals.

    And compensation would only be provided to those who kill CWD-positive deer.

    How much money are we talking? If 5,000 CWD-positive deer were taken in a year, it would require about $10 million.

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    Mike Foy, a retired DNR wildlife supervisor, has proposed a program to provide financial compensation to hunters and landowners who kill a CWD-positive deer in Wisconsin. This photo shows a slide from Foy's presentation at the 2018 Midwest Fish & Wildlife Conference in Milwaukee. (Photo: Paul A. Smith)

    Foy said funding is the most difficult part of the equation, but he would encourage the widest possible range of contributions, including donations from corporations, individuals and conservation organizations as well as state and federal money.

    Provocative? Of course.

    Realistic? If you value deer and deer hunting, the investment is easily justifiable.

    Foy pointed to the major league sports organizations in Wisconsin and the public money given to sustain each.

    The Milwaukee Brewers were granted proceeds from a special tax in southeastern Wisconsin to the tune of nearly $400 million. The Bucks are getting a new arena built with $250 million out of the public's pockets. And the Green Bay Packers received $295 million for a Lambeau Field upgrade.

    "Why wouldn't people, including politicians, support a plan like this to protect the $1 billion deer hunting industry in the state?" Foy said.

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    A DNR wildlife technician removes lymph nodes from a white-tailed deer for CWD testing. The fatal deer disease was reported in 2013 on a Waupaca County shooting preserve, the first CWD-positive deer in the county. (Photo: Paul A. Smith / Milwaukee Journal Sentinel)

    Bryan Richards, CWD specialist at the USGS National Wildlife Health Center in Madison, said the cash payment idea has merit.

    "Everybody can agree deer hunting is very important in Wisconsin," Richards said. "But we haven't invested much if anything in that gift horse. And all the while we've lost a lot of deer management tools. This is one that should get a shot."

    Foy said since the Wisconsin deer herd is so prolific, it could sustain increased harvest pressure and still remain viable.

    The math isn't too complex: To make progress, we have to kill more CWD-positive deer each year than contract the disease.

    The hard part is putting a program in place to harvest the diseased animals at a much higher rate than we are now.

    "If we don't shoot 20% of our sick deer each year, we're screwed," Foy said.

    The idea of a financial payment to hunters to combat CWD is not new. Whitetails Unlimited helped provide a cash reward — about $200 for the hunter and $200 for the landowner — for a short time after the disease was discovered in Wisconsin in the early 2000s.

    The organization and DNR should be commended for that effort. But it petered out.

    Foy said he knew the previous compensation plan wouldn't work because it was underfunded.

    Under current DNR strategy, CWD is simply monitored as it spreads throughout the state. There is no active program to reduce its prevalence.

    Foy said he was greatly concerned by the potential effect of CWD on the Wisconsin deer herd.

    "In my estimation, we are really close to losing one of our most prized animals in the state," Foy said. "I think we are close to a tipping point."

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    Mike Foy, a retired DNR wildlife supervisor, has proposed a program to provide financial compensation to hunters and landowners for killing CWD-positive deer in Wisconsin. (Photo: Paul A. Smith)

    Although the program could take many forms, one is to offer the financial incentive during a late-season hunt on a pilot basis. If more CWD-positive deer were killed than during the regular seasons, it could prove the validity of the idea.

    "If we could show results, I think the money would come," Foy said.

    Depending on how it was structured, a full-blown CWD incentive program could seek approval by the Legislative.

    It's obvious we need a new approach if we're going to contain CWD in Wisconsin. In a state where politicians like to claim "bold" action, this idea clearly should garner the attention of Gov. Scott Walker and key legislators.

    "We need to build support," Foy said. "We need to spend the amount of money this resource is worth."

    And then he cycled back to a hopeful note.

    "If we can't do it here, nobody can do it." Foy said.

    I'm on board. How about you?
  2. rat

    rat Legbone

    Dec 13, 2005
    I'd support incentives for hunters to voluntarily submit samples and get a positive back.
    Like getting a band when duck hunting. :D

    Seriously though, if more hunters submitted samples, it would get the MDC to where they need to be without having to do the intensive sampling that is under so much scrutiny. If we have to pay them to get it through their skulls, then I'm fine with it. I think charge a bit extra for tags to fund it, like some here have suggested.
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  3. callaojoe

    callaojoe Máistir an pointe hocht.

    Jan 21, 2004
    N/C Missouri
    Our deer tags are pretty cheap, they could double the price and they would still be a bargain. :wave1:
  4. bajabill

    bajabill BDR529

    Feb 16, 2012
    East Central MO
    they should triple the cost of those stinking landowner tags, those people are not paying enough. :cool!:
  5. richmo

    richmo Member

    Mar 29, 2012
    wein , mo.
    wow stupid has no bounds , until they have a cure what is the point? thats like killing people to see if they have cancer ,
  6. rat

    rat Legbone

    Dec 13, 2005
    There is no point if you have absolutely no interest in knowing where CWD is in the state, how quickly it is spreading or how prevalent it is, agree there.
    The article is talking about deer that would be killed anyway as a product of hunter mortality. Its just suggesting that we incentivize hunters to submit the samples from a deer that they killed as a normal practice of hunting.
  7. Maddux

    Maddux It's Da Debil

    Aug 27, 2009
    Dallas County
    I need to shoot about 20 does on my place anyway. I don't think they have CWD though. Maybe I can trap them and sell them to people in the containment zones.
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  8. bajabill

    bajabill BDR529

    Feb 16, 2012
    East Central MO
    I dont like the idea of paying for a sick deer, when you dont know if the deer you shoot is sick or not. Kind of a deer russian roulette, or something weird about it in my eyes.
  9. 20'

    20' Well-Known Member

    Aug 9, 2017
    I say Missouri should wait a few more years so they can pay out more often....give it time, positives are increasing nicely, even with the culling...unfortunately.
  10. Woods

    Woods Cooyon, Back from NOLA

    CWD is been going on since 1967..
  11. hazelvillebucks

    hazelvillebucks Well-Known Member

    Oct 28, 2014
    What they were talking about , Or at least part of what they were talking was trying to garner enthusiasm in a extra cwd hunt. TO IN EFFECT BUT A BOUNTY ON DEER. In my opinion it is pretty much the same song and dance.We need answers, scientific answers to solve cwd . As long as they are cheering the bat science of everything prion we will not understand what is happening . Another knee jerk non scientific scheme.
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  12. hazelvillebucks

    hazelvillebucks Well-Known Member

    Oct 28, 2014
    SO why don,t they click on the contact Dr. Bastian tab. get the how to on a live more actuate cwd test . give those trappers ridding Missouri some job security , gain access to prime habitat and just remove the positive deer.
    We get another plan to kill the deer but still no plan to apply science to the problem. What will happen in Wisconcin if they really get serious on attempted extermination is that the hornets are going to get really mad and the cwd will spread like wild fire.
    I do not like the seal plan Missouri has but it is kinder and gentler than what Macon and adair counties saw in the beginning.
    BASTIAN HAS THE METHODOLOGY to study the trigger that is cwd . It is now possible for wildlife biologist to figure out how cwd spreads . Instead of desperate schemes we have to apply real solution based science. HOW TO CONE THE PUBLIC INTO SHOOTING THEM SELVES IN THE FOOT IS NOT THE REAL SCIENCE NEEDED.
  13. henry

    henry Fan Boy aka Mr Twisty and

    Wisconsin needs to kill a bunch of deer just to thin the sick ones. Them giving in to public pressure and abandoning the culling had turned them into a petri dish.
  14. DroppnDrakes

    DroppnDrakes Member

    Oct 28, 2015
    So if you could infect your deer you could shoot 60 a year and wouldn't need a job
  15. rat

    rat Legbone

    Dec 13, 2005
    you have quite an imagination.
  16. hazelvillebucks

    hazelvillebucks Well-Known Member

    Oct 28, 2014
    The petri dish in Wisconsin,while the percentage of inflicted deer grows the disease remains much more in place then it does in ILLINOIS. Unfortunately when Arkansas discovered that the model for finding cwd at a low rate does not work the hornets nest signature rising percentage positive chart but the disease remaining more stationary map appears.
    Wisconsin had a ambitious plan of large scale extermination.The plans today use a kinder word but the question has to come up. Buying time for what?
    As state after state receive their pioneer ration,s of cwd. we get to see their action plan . usually it has the same picture of a really sick looking buck . IT usually introduces cwd with the same bat science mumbo jumbo. THAT CWD IS CAUSED BY A MISFOLDED PROTEIN CALLED A PRION. If that is true how does it do it ? Then comes the prudence,s If nose to nose contact spreads cwd , if eating out of the same pan, feeding from the same trough, if population density is a factor why does it spread so slow in a pen ?
    I looked at Louisianan,s action plan. the same picture was missing as well as the word prion.They gave the stuff on the disease and how the victims dwindle and the symptoms that cause death but they apparently do not have the faith in the bat science theory of everything prion.
    I think that the prudent thing to do about cwd would be to explore science to understand cwd, how it spreads and the players in the biological systems spreading it.There is nothing wrong with monitoring cwd but we really should NOT be using a test that can just plain miss cwd.All victims do not have prions. There are 21 separate strains of scrapie s identified in sheep. PRIONS ARE A PROTEIN CELL THAT HAVE NO DNA BUT DNA EVIDENCE IS LEFT IN ALL CASES OF THESE DISEASES. The prion theory can huff and puff but it can not explain how a prion causes cwd.The prudent thing to do is to quit wasting valuable time and use real science to understand what is really going on.
  17. Bigby

    Bigby Well-Known Member

    Oct 12, 2011
    Windsor M.O
    I woman I work with said they are killing off deer around Collins M.O this weekend, I guess they had a lot of positive tests from last year.
  18. hazelvillebucks

    hazelvillebucks Well-Known Member

    Oct 28, 2014
    what county?
  19. henry

    henry Fan Boy aka Mr Twisty and

    St Clair.