Everyone knows 20 only hunts common ground...
#getagrip
#getagrip
An Open Letter To 20' About Poaching In 2012
No, I am not the person who shot this buck, nor do I personally know him. The reason why I asked you these questions is because I had a suspicion that you weren’t fully educated on this situation and were filling in the blanks. I have been well informed on this situation, and know several details that you do not know. I think that if you knew these other details you may be able to gather some sanity and move on from this topic.
First, people who had permission to board horses on this horse farm were shooting deer with rifles at night starting in October of that year. This was not a secret by any of the local hunters because they were hearing all the gun shots, neither was this buck that you were hunting. You could call it a local celebrity. However, only one hunter notified MDC of this issue. That hunter was the same guy that happened to shoot this buck. From an outside source looking in it came to a shock as to why this wasn’t reported more often. The game warden involved on this case found corn piles and deer feeders scattered everywhere in this area which then explained to me why people wouldn’t contact MDC. They didn’t want to give up where they were hunting at and receive baiting tickets.
Also, the same time that this buck was shot, the game warden was across the road on a large piece of ground writing tickets for hunting over bait and not wearing orange. You mentioned in a much earlier post that you were hunting across the road this same morning on a large piece of ground that sold a couple of years later. HMMMMM……. In this area there are very few large properties….. After writing those tickets the game warden went over to the gun shots to simply look into the matter. There were two blood trails where the hunter had permission to hunt that lead to the buck and doe, which was not in a pasture whatsoever. In fact they both died very close to the property line. If this wasn’t the case, the game warden, who was there all day would have been writing multiple game law violations. That never happened.
The way the law is written in Missouri, the horse farm owners had legal rights to both deer. Since these horse farm owners suspected this neighboring hunter had turned them in just a month earlier, they did not want to give him his buck back under any circumstances. Unfortunately for this hunter Missouri’s law is written to where the land owner doesn’t have to give the deer to the rightful hunter. The game warden spent his entire opening day of rifle season in this area over this case. The hunter was never even questioned for being in the wrong. The deer was declared property of the state at the horse farm owner’s wishes and the game warden had no other option. It wouldn’t matter if the hunter called the game warden in 3 minutes or three days. The deer wasn’t going to him. Would a “poacher”, who committed game law violations call the game warden at all!? This hunter and the game warden had been in communication well before this event took place and after it happened as well. ZERO tickets were given to him. The whole rifle rule is such a grey area for this area. However even if he is in the wrong it doesn’t take away from the ethicality of this hunters kill. No citations or fines were given from this municipality on this issue either. This would not have lead to a confiscation of his kill. You mention rain several times. I assume youre saying that this would wash away the blood trail. The game warden spent his whole day with no rain as you state. With this much time he was able to back track the blood trail and if you want to go this far search for boot prints. Had any evidence shown foul play there is no doubt the game warden would have done his job. MDC does a phenomenal job.
Sadly, this is a great example of times where rumors get started. People fill in the blanks and can assume some pretty wild stories (rain??????) From reading into all of your story about this case 20 foot it appears that you are trying to take credit for this hunters kill by accusing him of poaching it and bringing up how you had pictures of it and saw it at 60 yards. I understand you had a tough season this past year but you need to let it go. This happened in 2012. Lets see pictures of current bucks you are chasing. Perhaps pictures of bucks that you are looking forward to hunting next year would be a good post idea.
This is the exact thing that anti hunters look for on social media sites. They would love to take away our rights to hunt. Lets stick to facts and not opinions.
First, people who had permission to board horses on this horse farm were shooting deer with rifles at night starting in October of that year. This was not a secret by any of the local hunters because they were hearing all the gun shots, neither was this buck that you were hunting. You could call it a local celebrity. However, only one hunter notified MDC of this issue. That hunter was the same guy that happened to shoot this buck. From an outside source looking in it came to a shock as to why this wasn’t reported more often. The game warden involved on this case found corn piles and deer feeders scattered everywhere in this area which then explained to me why people wouldn’t contact MDC. They didn’t want to give up where they were hunting at and receive baiting tickets.
Also, the same time that this buck was shot, the game warden was across the road on a large piece of ground writing tickets for hunting over bait and not wearing orange. You mentioned in a much earlier post that you were hunting across the road this same morning on a large piece of ground that sold a couple of years later. HMMMMM……. In this area there are very few large properties….. After writing those tickets the game warden went over to the gun shots to simply look into the matter. There were two blood trails where the hunter had permission to hunt that lead to the buck and doe, which was not in a pasture whatsoever. In fact they both died very close to the property line. If this wasn’t the case, the game warden, who was there all day would have been writing multiple game law violations. That never happened.
The way the law is written in Missouri, the horse farm owners had legal rights to both deer. Since these horse farm owners suspected this neighboring hunter had turned them in just a month earlier, they did not want to give him his buck back under any circumstances. Unfortunately for this hunter Missouri’s law is written to where the land owner doesn’t have to give the deer to the rightful hunter. The game warden spent his entire opening day of rifle season in this area over this case. The hunter was never even questioned for being in the wrong. The deer was declared property of the state at the horse farm owner’s wishes and the game warden had no other option. It wouldn’t matter if the hunter called the game warden in 3 minutes or three days. The deer wasn’t going to him. Would a “poacher”, who committed game law violations call the game warden at all!? This hunter and the game warden had been in communication well before this event took place and after it happened as well. ZERO tickets were given to him. The whole rifle rule is such a grey area for this area. However even if he is in the wrong it doesn’t take away from the ethicality of this hunters kill. No citations or fines were given from this municipality on this issue either. This would not have lead to a confiscation of his kill. You mention rain several times. I assume youre saying that this would wash away the blood trail. The game warden spent his whole day with no rain as you state. With this much time he was able to back track the blood trail and if you want to go this far search for boot prints. Had any evidence shown foul play there is no doubt the game warden would have done his job. MDC does a phenomenal job.
Sadly, this is a great example of times where rumors get started. People fill in the blanks and can assume some pretty wild stories (rain??????) From reading into all of your story about this case 20 foot it appears that you are trying to take credit for this hunters kill by accusing him of poaching it and bringing up how you had pictures of it and saw it at 60 yards. I understand you had a tough season this past year but you need to let it go. This happened in 2012. Lets see pictures of current bucks you are chasing. Perhaps pictures of bucks that you are looking forward to hunting next year would be a good post idea.
This is the exact thing that anti hunters look for on social media sites. They would love to take away our rights to hunt. Lets stick to facts and not opinions.
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Was a glock "lost" in this fiasco??
#goodoledays
#youwritebetterstoriesthanCy.....
#goodoledays
#youwritebetterstoriesthanCy.....
Go to the thread titled "round 3 guess the score" .WTH is this guy talking about?
If no tickets were issued by the agent why the name tag “ poacher “ ?
And why does the agent confiscate the deer if no wrongdoing ?
And does 20 hunt the horses at night ?
And why does the agent confiscate the deer if no wrongdoing ?
And does 20 hunt the horses at night ?
#TheVelvet14
#TheLandOwnersKidTookIt
#SorryNotSorry
#TheLandOwnersKidTookIt
#SorryNotSorry
The same reason we had to legalize crossbows. Give an inch and they'll take a mile :boohoo:This is the exact thing that anti hunters look for on social media sites. They would love to take away our rights to hunt. Lets stick to facts and not opinions.
First off, no one here wants to see 20 gain any sanity. Fact.
Second, there are all kinds of errors in this paragraph, but I really don't care to debate it - I really don't care, but you all can argue about it - but I expect to see flames and shouting, don't let me down.
"The way the law is written in Missouri, the horse farm owners had legal rights to both deer. Since these horse farm owners suspected this neighboring hunter had turned them in just a month earlier, they did not want to give him his buck back under any circumstances.Unfortunately for this hunter Missouri's law is written to where the land owner doesn't have to give the deer to the rightful hunter."
Second, there are all kinds of errors in this paragraph, but I really don't care to debate it - I really don't care, but you all can argue about it - but I expect to see flames and shouting, don't let me down.
"The way the law is written in Missouri, the horse farm owners had legal rights to both deer. Since these horse farm owners suspected this neighboring hunter had turned them in just a month earlier, they did not want to give him his buck back under any circumstances.Unfortunately for this hunter Missouri's law is written to where the land owner doesn't have to give the deer to the rightful hunter."
How so? It's pretty cut and dry for me. Shotguns and muzzleloaders only east of 109. What's so grey about that?The whole rifle rule is such a grey area for this area.
As stated above in brownyourdown's post the land owner where the deer died wouldn't give permission to the shooter of the deer to trespass on their property so the deer belonged to them but they didn't want it (really didn't want the shooter to have them) so the agent declared them property of the state so they were sent to the local meat locker for processing to be given away at the local food pantry.why does the agent confiscate the deer if no wrongdoing ?
It was just a suburban deer, not like it was a wild deer or anything..... :wave1: 
So, if the landowner does not give permission to a hunter to retrieve a legally shot deer. The GW is there, landowner allows GW to take deer.
At that point, what prevents the GW from handing the deer over to the legal hunter?
And more importantly, was 20' using a crossbow while hunting over bait piles?? :wink4:
At that point, what prevents the GW from handing the deer over to the legal hunter?
And more importantly, was 20' using a crossbow while hunting over bait piles?? :wink4:
So deer on my land are MY deer !
The story above make zero sense. If the shooter was legal and the deer where killed legally, the GW would have given handed them over to the hunter.
dead deerSo deer on my land are MY deer !
Not if given orders by the rightful owners of the deer. They asked for the deer to be given to the state in which it is then sent to the food pantry after processing.The story above make zero sense. If the shooter was legal and the deer where killed legally, the GW would have given handed them over to the hunter.
I don't think you're remotely correct. If the deer was shot legally it would have been given back to the hunter after the GW retrieved it.Not if given orders by the rightful owners of the deer. They asked for the deer to be given to the state in which it is then sent to the food pantry after processing.
According to the OP, there was a blood trail indicating the deer was shot legally. Pretty sure that is evidence enough that the landowners didn't harvest the animal.Not if given orders by the rightful owners of the deer. They asked for the deer to be given to the state in which it is then sent to the food pantry after processing.
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