"AirBow" to be legal in Virginia

Discussion in 'Whitetails General' started by beanpile, Jan 30, 2018.

  1. callaojoe

    callaojoe Máistir an pointe hocht.

    Jan 21, 2004
    N/C Missouri
    I cannot control what other people do in the stand, and I am not even going to try outside of giving them advice on when to shoot, when not to shoot.

    xbow hunters are not the only ones taking poor shots, compound, longbow, atl-atl, rifle hunters... All of them are capable of taking a bad shot. It's not unique to crossbows.

    So, if using a cross bow a person can consistantly hit a quarter at 25 yds, instead of a silver dollar with a compound... It makes them that much better at actually killing deer they hit. THat's a good thing if you ask me.
     
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  2. buckstop660

    buckstop660 Crossbow Specialist

    Jul 17, 2014
    NW Mo.
    So you ok with wounding with less efficient but are against using the more efficient. If you tear up a tag when you wound just like when you kill then, ok. The guy that kills is done when he uses his tag he isn't still out there wounding/losing animals.
     

  3. callaojoe

    callaojoe Máistir an pointe hocht.

    Jan 21, 2004
    N/C Missouri
    Already got one of those bob, although I don't officially send anything to p7y or b&c... I honestly don't care if its easier or harder, it's fun to shoot, so I expect it will be fun to shoot deer with.
     
  4. callaojoe

    callaojoe Máistir an pointe hocht.

    Jan 21, 2004
    N/C Missouri
    Maybe he would not have had that sleepless night last fall if he'd a been using an xbow.. :D Or, maybe he just likes gut shooting deer with a bow... :thinking:
     
  5. 20'

    20' Well-Known Member

    Aug 9, 2017
    Of course I wish every mortally wounded animal was recovered, period! I also wish similar typed weapons had their own season!

    Trad Sept1-15
    Vertical Archer 9/15-1/15
    Crossbows day after firearms to 1/15

    Surprise, I just don't believe a weapon that is ready to fire is archery.
     
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  6. buckstop660

    buckstop660 Crossbow Specialist

    Jul 17, 2014
    NW Mo.
    Then you weren't looking. I saw several looking for tracking dogs, BBD threads but never recovered, and deer found weeks later don't count as recovered. I never saw one crossbow story of a lost deer but then they would probably be afraid to talk about it with some attitudes on here.
     
  7. buckstop660

    buckstop660 Crossbow Specialist

    Jul 17, 2014
    NW Mo.
    Why not make vertical archery after firearms? Its still a bow, a short range weapon relying on accurate range estimation to make the shot.
     
  8. antlercrazed

    antlercrazed Well-Known Member

    Sep 8, 2010
    North Missouri
    The whole point of archery season is using the most least effective weapons at killing deer so that we don't kill all the deer in population each year.So if we are going to turn this into not wounding an losing deer argument then let's all start hunting with poison,or .50 cal barretts,or let's just blow the deer up with dynamite ha.No one is against killing deer easy all anyone is saying is the more effective weapons you allow to be used more days during a given season the more deer will die.Which wether or not you believe that is a bad thing is the only debate not the effectiveness of a weapon
     
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  9. 20'

    20' Well-Known Member

    Aug 9, 2017
    wasn't my best shot for sure!
     
  10. 20'

    20' Well-Known Member

    Aug 9, 2017
    Trad sept 15-Nov 10
    Vertical archery Nov 11-Jan15
    Firearms and crossbows 4th Monday in November - November 30
     
  11. callaojoe

    callaojoe Máistir an pointe hocht.

    Jan 21, 2004
    N/C Missouri
    no, but I still respect your right to choose what ever archery method you want, as long as it's legally permitted. :wave1:
     
  12. callaojoe

    callaojoe Máistir an pointe hocht.

    Jan 21, 2004
    N/C Missouri
    If that is the WHOLE point, then everyone should be using longbows with hand chipped arrowheads, and hand made cedar arrows....

    MDC manages deer harvest by hunting in this state. They evidently have determined that allowing xbows during archery season will still allow them to meet their harvest/population goals. Given that, it doesn't really matter what type of archery equipment a hunter decides to use. If for some reason, they see they are no longer able to meet their harvest/population goals... Then, they can re-adjust as needed.
     
  13. thwackaddict

    thwackaddict Senior Member

    Nov 1, 2007
    NW Missouri
    I am now thinking that a "use anything season" from Dec 15th - Jan 15th would be the best option for me. One buck, one doe rule. Maybe leave a youth season 1st weekend in NOV, but everybody else gets the Dec 15th - Jan 15th use what ever you want season.

    This would help me manage deer where it is impossible to now. The guy with the best food plots / habitat wins!!!:D
     
  14. 20'

    20' Well-Known Member

    Aug 9, 2017

    I didn't need to lobby for a weapon addition in order to get me to participate! Had I needed to lobby for a crossbow, I would have known to wait on the track.
     
  15. callaojoe

    callaojoe Máistir an pointe hocht.

    Jan 21, 2004
    N/C Missouri
    Well, I didn't lobby for them, just didn't think there was a reason to be against them... but now that I own one, happy they are legal, and look'n forward to killing some good deer with it. I will probably still use my Matty too, as I like hunting with it too. A lot will depend on what stand I choose to hunt. Some will be setup to use xbow, some compound. Heck, I hunt with 3 different rifles of varying degrees of accuracy and knock down power during rifle season, I see this as being no different. :wave1:
     
  16. antlercrazed

    antlercrazed Well-Known Member

    Sep 8, 2010
    North Missouri
    Again I'm not against them.And yes that is the point because they cannot have the season tag limits and allow rifle season to last the whole season or every deer alive would die.And I'm guessing you are missing my point which is I'm not against them.My only argument is to the ones who have constantly acted like there is no possibility for a few more deer to die and that crossbows are no more effective than vertical bows and then I was replying to your comment basically suggesting that because they wound less deer then it's a good thing and I just think that's a bad way to think about things because if that's the case archery should be illegal and only guns or weapons that are the most effective killers should be used.Basicallu in short form I believe it's easier to kill a deer with a crossbow but I'm not against using them I have done it and it's no different than I think it's easier to kill one with a gun but I'm still gonna do it I'm not gonna have a 12 page essay on why my gun is a pain in the ass to use because it's 9.8lbs and kicks hard at the shot lol
     
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  17. callaojoe

    callaojoe Máistir an pointe hocht.

    Jan 21, 2004
    N/C Missouri
    I may have misread your earlier comment. What I have said all along, where the grey area seems to lie is in just how much more effective they really are.

    If hunters were to use them, how I think they should be used.... That is waiting for 35 yd or less, broadside shots.... Then, what I think you would see is roughly the same number of deer dieing, and maybe a few less being wounded. If your accuracy is better, and you are still shooting at the same deer you would have shot at with a compound anyway, isn't it better if you kill and recover it? Isn't it better if a hunter kills and recovers their first buck, than it is to wound/kill not recover one or two before finally killing one?

    I will leave it to mdc to determine if they are adversely affecting deer populations. I have never claimed to be an expert on that aspect. I just see no need to insult a person just because they choose to use what ever legal method they choose to use. :wave1: And, I am not sayin that about you, but just in general)
     
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  18. antlercrazed

    antlercrazed Well-Known Member

    Sep 8, 2010
    North Missouri
    Naw I don't care what anyone uses doesn't bother me.I think no hunter thinks alike and some things I may do others may disagree with an vice versa.For example in Mississippi baiting is legal and in my food plot I dump out corn and spread it out in my green.I imagine lots of people would have issue with that but it's legal there and nowhere near as effective as it would be in an area with extreme winters which is why I imagine baiting is legal in MO because of the power food has over deer you could literally pile up 500lbs of corn in between two thickets and wait on a buck.So yeah no two people will agree on things
     
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  19. buckstop660

    buckstop660 Crossbow Specialist

    Jul 17, 2014
    NW Mo.
    Got to agree. I'd rather see a person kill the first deer with which ever bow they choose than to wound 3 before killing one. Then post a picture of his deer like the conqoring hero without letting everybody know about all the lost deer.
     
  20. antlercrazed

    antlercrazed Well-Known Member

    Sep 8, 2010
    North Missouri
    I agree with this for sure I just think regardless of weapon the same percentage of users will be unpreficient and unethical and take bad shots and wound animals.For every skilled ethical hunter i'de imagine there is 3 unethical unskilled possibly more