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Kind of glad to see the couint down. The deer are there, just tough hunting this year. Should have a good rollover of bucks to be even bigger bucks for next year. Gooood.
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[rquote=1482189&tid=103635&author=Sidewinder]Kind of glad to see the couint down. The deer are there, just tough hunting this year. Should have a good rollover of bucks to be even bigger bucks for next year. Gooood. [/rquote]
I agree:cheers:
I agree:cheers:
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Bowrookie, I think what we are looking at is the grand total for all seasons. The link provided about has youth season, archery season and what has been taken so far in rifle season. Right now the current rifle total is around 182,000.
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Opening weekend number is really down... 86K
Had been right at, and mostly over 100K for the last 10 years or so... Corn in the fields, and rain prolly had a lot to do with that. Be curious to see the year end totals when they come in.:thinking:
Had been right at, and mostly over 100K for the last 10 years or so... Corn in the fields, and rain prolly had a lot to do with that. Be curious to see the year end totals when they come in.:thinking:
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Not sure about final #'s but I seen a lot of bruisers in the back if trucks and trailers on my way home Sunday.
Checked MDC online today
Down 54,000 from last year with one day to go as of this evening. Seems like quite the drop...
Is it possible the Orange Army is sick of reading about KS, IA, and IL in whitetail mag's all the time? Maybe a little let'em go and they will grow goin' on?
Down 54,000 from last year with one day to go as of this evening. Seems like quite the drop...
Is it possible the Orange Army is sick of reading about KS, IA, and IL in whitetail mag's all the time? Maybe a little let'em go and they will grow goin' on?
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[rquote=1483855&tid=103635&author=Flatliner]Down 54,000 from last year with one day to go as of this evening. Seems like quite the drop...
Is it possible the Orange Army is sick of reading about KS, IA, and IL in whitetail mag's all the time? Maybe a little let'em go and they will grow goin' on?
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i sure hope so, but doe season is probably going to help their numbers:stirpot:
Is it possible the Orange Army is sick of reading about KS, IA, and IL in whitetail mag's all the time? Maybe a little let'em go and they will grow goin' on?
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i sure hope so, but doe season is probably going to help their numbers:stirpot:
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I would hope this possibly means "The Orange Army" as Flatliner put it has learned from their mistakes and decided to maybe listen to MDC's Deer herd management recommendations. You can't sit back and take 1 deer from 20-30 deer herds year after year and expect big well fed healthy deer. Especially when you all believe in not feeding them any food plots. Most places have so many deer that they are having winter die offs every year and the deer are just scraping by.
There was a guy who sold his 640 acre farm because he was fed up. He said he could not get 200 point class deer to grow their. So he moved out of state.
I am a farmer by trade, and I am telling you guys. You got to get the deer numbers DOWN. They can not continually count on farmer's row crops (aka corn and such) because we will just go to feeding cattle and not doing any row crops.
I know I may be :blah: and look like im :whinging: but the agriculture business is being driven into the ground by the dang deer of all things. I know lots of people who deer hunt, and they all are not allowed to hunt any thing on my place. They are self centered, stuck up's thinking only about their hobby/sport which is why they are not allowed around at all.
They hatched a plan to grow the deer numbers up so they think they can have their choice of 200 class deer but it is not that way at all. they just have a huge number of malnourished starving deer and one good winter or one strong disease and your herd is going to be one maybe 2 deer. That's it!
You guys have to stop this "I only shoot big bucks" idea. You have to shoot the does to get the deer numbers down.
There was a guy who sold his 640 acre farm because he was fed up. He said he could not get 200 point class deer to grow their. So he moved out of state.
I am a farmer by trade, and I am telling you guys. You got to get the deer numbers DOWN. They can not continually count on farmer's row crops (aka corn and such) because we will just go to feeding cattle and not doing any row crops.
I know I may be :blah: and look like im :whinging: but the agriculture business is being driven into the ground by the dang deer of all things. I know lots of people who deer hunt, and they all are not allowed to hunt any thing on my place. They are self centered, stuck up's thinking only about their hobby/sport which is why they are not allowed around at all.
They hatched a plan to grow the deer numbers up so they think they can have their choice of 200 class deer but it is not that way at all. they just have a huge number of malnourished starving deer and one good winter or one strong disease and your herd is going to be one maybe 2 deer. That's it!
You guys have to stop this "I only shoot big bucks" idea. You have to shoot the does to get the deer numbers down.
[rquote=1484416&tid=103635&author=Mo deer killah] I would hope this possibly means "The Orange Army" as Flatliner put it has learned from their mistakes and decided to maybe listen to MDC's Deer herd management recommendations. You can't sit back and take 1 deer from 20-30 deer herds year after year and expect big well fed healthy deer. Especially when you all believe in not feeding them any food plots. Most places have so many deer that they are having winter die offs every year and the deer are just scraping by.
There was a guy who sold his 640 acre farm because he was fed up. He said he could not get 200 point class deer to grow their. So he moved out of state.
I am a farmer by trade, and I am telling you guys. You got to get the deer numbers DOWN. They can not continually count on farmer's row crops (aka corn and such) because we will just go to feeding cattle and not doing any row crops.
I know I may be :blah: and look like im :whinging: but the agriculture business is being driven into the ground by the dang deer of all things. I know lots of people who deer hunt, and they all are not allowed to hunt any thing on my place. They are self centered, stuck up's thinking only about their hobby/sport which is why they are not allowed around at all.
They hatched a plan to grow the deer numbers up so they think they can have their choice of 200 class deer but it is not that way at all. they just have a huge number of malnourished starving deer and one good winter or one strong disease and your herd is going to be one maybe 2 deer. That's it!
You guys have to stop this "I only shoot big bucks" idea. You have to shoot the does to get the deer numbers down.[/rquote]
I'm not sure I understand your post. Most of the guys on here enjoy filling the freezer first and throwing heads on the wall second and are pretty familiar with the reasons for keeping MO's deer herd in check. Missouri's deer herd dynamics are blotchy at best, there are areas that are overhunted and others that are over populated (please mark these areas on a map and I will be happy to help).
I can't say I have heard of any winter die off's or starvation problems for deer in Missouri in decades. There have been some EHD outbreaks here and there during the summer months, but I would have to say Missouri's deer pretty much got it made during the winter months compared to their northern counterparts.
MWT has a solution to the overpopulated areas....Lungbuster!
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I just realized that was your first post! :welcome: , if you stick around the site you'll likely find that there are many people here that would be happy to help you out with your deer issues.
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There was a guy who sold his 640 acre farm because he was fed up. He said he could not get 200 point class deer to grow their. So he moved out of state.
I am a farmer by trade, and I am telling you guys. You got to get the deer numbers DOWN. They can not continually count on farmer's row crops (aka corn and such) because we will just go to feeding cattle and not doing any row crops.
I know I may be :blah: and look like im :whinging: but the agriculture business is being driven into the ground by the dang deer of all things. I know lots of people who deer hunt, and they all are not allowed to hunt any thing on my place. They are self centered, stuck up's thinking only about their hobby/sport which is why they are not allowed around at all.
They hatched a plan to grow the deer numbers up so they think they can have their choice of 200 class deer but it is not that way at all. they just have a huge number of malnourished starving deer and one good winter or one strong disease and your herd is going to be one maybe 2 deer. That's it!
You guys have to stop this "I only shoot big bucks" idea. You have to shoot the does to get the deer numbers down.[/rquote]
I'm not sure I understand your post. Most of the guys on here enjoy filling the freezer first and throwing heads on the wall second and are pretty familiar with the reasons for keeping MO's deer herd in check. Missouri's deer herd dynamics are blotchy at best, there are areas that are overhunted and others that are over populated (please mark these areas on a map and I will be happy to help).
I can't say I have heard of any winter die off's or starvation problems for deer in Missouri in decades. There have been some EHD outbreaks here and there during the summer months, but I would have to say Missouri's deer pretty much got it made during the winter months compared to their northern counterparts.
MWT has a solution to the overpopulated areas....Lungbuster!
:cheers:
I just realized that was your first post! :welcome: , if you stick around the site you'll likely find that there are many people here that would be happy to help you out with your deer issues.
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BIObuck,
I live in Cedar county. All around me their are farms that would like to sell because "its just no good here" Its not like the land in unusable, its that people move in next to a 1k acre full time farm with some thing under 100 acres and immediatly plant a acre or two of woods so they can have some deer hunting.
These types usually just take one deer a year and usually a buck unless the just don't see any thing then they claim its over hunted. We come and tell them about the crop damage and how we have lost 2 more rows of corn and it just seems to bounce right off their head.
That is the kind of people we are dealing with out here. Its no wonder why farmers go to such lengths to find out who prospective land buyers really are.
I live in Cedar county. All around me their are farms that would like to sell because "its just no good here" Its not like the land in unusable, its that people move in next to a 1k acre full time farm with some thing under 100 acres and immediatly plant a acre or two of woods so they can have some deer hunting.
These types usually just take one deer a year and usually a buck unless the just don't see any thing then they claim its over hunted. We come and tell them about the crop damage and how we have lost 2 more rows of corn and it just seems to bounce right off their head.
That is the kind of people we are dealing with out here. Its no wonder why farmers go to such lengths to find out who prospective land buyers really are.
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I hear your concerns and agree that there are some folks like that. There are also those folks that shoot anything that walks regardless if it's a button buck or a baby doe. I for one try and not shot the mother if she has a little one with her, try and not shoot a little one of either sex and I try to shoot bucks that are at minimum 3 1/2 years old. Some would say that's stupid but hey, that's me.
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[rquote=1483855&tid=103635&author=Flatliner]Down 54,000 from last year with one day to go as of this evening. Seems like quite the drop...
Is it possible the Orange Army is sick of reading about KS, IA, and IL in whitetail mag's all the time? Maybe a little let'em go and they will grow goin' on?
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I hope that is happening, but I doubt that was the case. :cheers:
Is it possible the Orange Army is sick of reading about KS, IA, and IL in whitetail mag's all the time? Maybe a little let'em go and they will grow goin' on?
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I hope that is happening, but I doubt that was the case. :cheers:
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Anybody know the firearms only total after antlerless season?
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These land owners control their land. Make the land huntable and allow hunters to hunt, but give them requirements. To take a buck each hunter must during the season take two or what ever number you think is fair to both the land owner and hunter. If the hunter does as asked invite them back the next year. If not it is understood they will not be welcome to hunt the next year.
Land owners and hunters can work together to benifit each other.
I have talked to a lot of farmers that state they want ever tag I bought to be filled. Funny thing is that very few offer to hunt their property.
These land owners control their land. Make the land huntable and allow hunters to hunt, but give them requirements. To take a buck each hunter must during the season take two or what ever number you think is fair to both the land owner and hunter. If the hunter does as asked invite them back the next year. If not it is understood they will not be welcome to hunt the next year.
Land owners and hunters can work together to benifit each other.
I have talked to a lot of farmers that state they want ever tag I bought to be filled. Funny thing is that very few offer to hunt their property.
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[rquote=1505598&tid=103635&author=Mo deer killah]BIObuck,
I live in Cedar county. All around me their are farms that would like to sell because "its just no good here" Its not like the land in unusable, its that people move in next to a 1k acre full time farm with some thing under 100 acres and immediatly plant a acre or two of woods so they can have some deer hunting.
These types usually just take one deer a year and usually a buck unless the just don't see any thing then they claim its over hunted. We come and tell them about the crop damage and how we have lost 2 more rows of corn and it just seems to bounce right off their head.
That is the kind of people we are dealing with out here. Its no wonder why farmers go to such lengths to find out who prospective land buyers really are.[/rquote]
If you are complaing about not enough does being killed... when would you like me to be there? Just sayinop:
I live in Cedar county. All around me their are farms that would like to sell because "its just no good here" Its not like the land in unusable, its that people move in next to a 1k acre full time farm with some thing under 100 acres and immediatly plant a acre or two of woods so they can have some deer hunting.
These types usually just take one deer a year and usually a buck unless the just don't see any thing then they claim its over hunted. We come and tell them about the crop damage and how we have lost 2 more rows of corn and it just seems to bounce right off their head.
That is the kind of people we are dealing with out here. Its no wonder why farmers go to such lengths to find out who prospective land buyers really are.[/rquote]
If you are complaing about not enough does being killed... when would you like me to be there? Just sayin
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